Totally fair, but it's also true that Israel has gained nothing of significance and lost a lot from this war, not getting any of the objectives they set forth.

Unless the actual goal is genocide, in which case they are continuing to "succeed" every day.

[–] bamboo@lemm.ee 16 points 2 years ago (3 children)

The actual goal is genocide, any other stated justification is a lie. They’ve successfully killed tens of thousands, and are certainly going to attempt new settlements and permanent military rule in Gaza, unless the international community intervenes.

[–] blindsight@beehaw.org 4 points 2 years ago

Exactly my point.

The "official" reasons for this don't make sense. So that only leaves deliberate genocide as the reason.

[–] Tiltinyall@beehaw.org 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

And mantaining a segregated state. These two cultures have occupied this same territory for over 2000 year. It really looks like the scummery of ancient civilization burns in the heart of this nonsense.

[–] meep_launcher@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago

Israel is defeated like the US was defeated in Afghanistan. It's not that the Taliban managed to get tanks rolling through DC, but they killed our international image and took away prescious time, money, energy, and lives. They suffered magnitudes more than us, so just like in any war, there were no winners.

We keep saying "we don't negotiate with terrorists", but I'm starting to think that we should consider negotiating with terrorists*.

'*Understanding the definition of terrorist is very subjective