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The conservative obsession with purity and control is being achieved by increasingly punitive means

The US supreme court justices Samuel Alito and Clarence Thomas cited the Comstock Act, named after the 19th-century anti-vice campaigner Anthony Comstock, in last week’s case about access to the abortion pill mifepristone. If you don’t know who Anthony Comstock was or what his law did, that might not have alarmed you. But it should have.

The Comstock Law has come up a lot lately, and it’s part of the Republican war on sex, and to put it that way might sound overly dramatic. But there is such a war, and parts of it – against sex education, against access to birth control, against the healthcare provider Planned Parenthood and of course against abortion – have long been out in the open along with a war against the rights of women and on the rights and very existence of queer and trans people.

Comstock was reputed to be driven by religious shame over masturbation to become his era’s most extreme anti-sex crusader. He rose to prominence in the early 1870s, when he convinced Congress to make it a crime to advertise, sell or mail contraceptives or give out contraceptive information, even orally, or to mail anything “immoral” – a term whose vagueness allowed widespread prosecution, including of a feminist newspaper reporting on sexual abuse whose prominent publishers, Victoria Woodhull and Tennessee Claflin, he got sent to prison. Like modern-day rightwingers he was a book-burner, and he boasted that he had driven 15 people to suicide.

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[-] Zombiepirate@lemmy.world 149 points 7 months ago

Fascist movements use conservative "moral" judgement and their disgust at minority sexualities as a tool to control their ideological enemies.

It's why they hate birth control and abortion so much: they allow women to control their own lives and have a career. The Nazis also had a program to drive women out of the workforce so that men didn't have to compete with them.

It's not a coincidence; it's a plan.

[-] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 7 points 7 months ago

Exactly. Notice how the people crying for women to have “sexual purity” rarely see women as having a place in the world beyond sex

[-] Gork@lemm.ee 142 points 7 months ago

As if that weren’t enough, in May 2023, the Heritage Foundation declared on social media, “Conservatives have to lead the way in restoring sex to its true purpose, & ending recreational sex & senseless use of birth control pills.”

Yikes 😬

[-] snekerpimp@lemmy.world 40 points 7 months ago

God didn’t say “go forth and make yourself plenty”, he said “be ashamed of your genitalia and the urges I have placed deep in your psyche to reproduce, and instead tie reproduction to a legally binding document that enslaves a gender of the species”

[-] EatATaco@lemm.ee 16 points 7 months ago

The reason they are against birth control is at least partially because the Bible says to go and reproduce a lot. The whole point of contraception is to stop that from happening.

[-] dirthawker0@lemmy.world 22 points 7 months ago

And it ties in with the great replacement thing. They don't want to be outnumbered by those non-white non Christian second class citizens.

[-] TheBat@lemmy.world 11 points 7 months ago

Plenty of black folks are Christian too but whute Republicans wouldn't want to be outnumbered by them either.

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[-] skyspydude1@lemmy.world 19 points 7 months ago

restoring sex to its true purpose, & ending recreational sex

Looks like it's time to start training and go pro.

[-] conditional_soup@lemm.ee 7 points 7 months ago

Wow, that is... Yeah, yikes pretty much nails it.

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[-] Coach@lemmy.world 106 points 7 months ago

All this "purity" talk, yet they're perfectly fine with men diddling little kids. Get off of it, you liars. It's all about control.

[-] AutistoMephisto@lemmy.world 15 points 7 months ago

Diddling little girls, specifically. They think humanity was at it's peak during the Bronze Age, when women weren't considered people, they were a resource like livestock.

[-] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 44 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Reading this article, it feels like the author is just discovering the Republican party for the first time.

This is what the conservatives have been since Nixon.

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[-] Semi-Hemi-Demigod@kbin.social 43 points 7 months ago

So they're gonna outlaw vasectomies and viagra, right?

[-] reverendsteveii@lemm.ee 20 points 7 months ago

the history of sex-obsessed conservative movements tells me that they're more likely to make vasectomies mandatory for a certain brand of person. Or, more accurately, for anyone who isn't a certain brand of person.

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[-] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 7 points 7 months ago

I'm not sure how that will help them subjugate women, but if they can find a connection I'm sure they will.

[-] 800XL@lemmy.world 27 points 7 months ago

The Fundamentalist Christian hijacking of the Republican party started over 50 years ago, but it wasn't until Alzheimer's-ridden Ronald Reagan got into office that it was given the green light by a President.

[-] cmbabul@lemmy.world 18 points 7 months ago

Nixon was the first symptom everyone could see, Reagan was the metastasizing, but the original infection goes all the way back through George Lincoln Rockwell, the John Birch Society, and the business plot

[-] baronvonj@lemmy.world 10 points 7 months ago

No it goes all the way back to the Puritans coming over because the Catholics weren't repressing and persecuting enough for them ("they weren't hurting the people they needed to be).

[-] DigitalTraveler42@lemmy.world 10 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Time to break out my favorite Barry Goldwater quotes:

Mark my word, if and when these preachers get control of the [Republican] party, and they're sure trying to do so, it's going to be a terrible damn problem. Frankly, these people frighten me. Politics and governing demand compromise. But these Christians believe they are acting in the name of God, so they can't and won't compromise. I know, I've tried to deal with them.

And:

I would remind you that extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice! And let me remind you also that moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue!

Or:

Those who seek absolute power, even though they seek it to do what they regard as good, are simply demanding the right to enforce their own version of heaven on earth. And let me remind you, they are the very ones who always create the most hellish tyrannies. Absolute power does corrupt, and those who seek it must be suspect and must be opposed. Their mistaken course stems from false notions of equality, ladies and gentlemen. Equality, rightly understood, as our founding fathers understood it, leads to liberty and to the emancipation of creative differences. Wrongly understood, as it has been so tragically in our time, it leads first to conformity and then to despotism. Fellow Republicans, it is the cause of Republicanism to resist concentrations of power, private or public, which enforce such conformity and inflict such despotism. It is the cause of Republicanism to ensure that power remains in the hands of the people.

Last one for now:

I'm frankly sick and tired of the political preachers across this country telling me as a citizen that if I want to be a moral person, I must believe in "A," "B," "C" and "D." Just who do they think they are? And from where do they presume to claim the right to dictate their moral beliefs to me? And I am even more angry as a legislator who must endure the threats of every religious group who thinks it has some God-granted right to control my vote on every roll call in the Senate. I am warning them today: I will fight them every step of the way if they try to dictate their moral convictions to all Americans in the name of "conservatism."

This Republican Senator was telling it like it was all the way back in the 60's.

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[-] Nobody@lemmy.world 27 points 7 months ago

From the makers of the War on Drugs and the War on Terror, coming soon to a community near you - the War on Fucking. Bring back the America of dry handjobs and the crippling fear that an unwanted pregnancy will ruin your lives.

[-] thisbenzingring@lemmy.sdf.org 7 points 7 months ago

Everyone can start doing that weird bed bouncing thing the Mormon kids are doing. That's clearly a loophole that is acceptable by even the most strict nuts

[-] Wizard_Pope@lemmy.world 4 points 7 months ago
[-] qantravon@lemmy.world 13 points 7 months ago

I'm not sure how much truth there is to it, but here goes.

The basic idea is that they've convinced themselves that they can get naked together and insert and it's ok, but actively thrusting makes it a sin. So they will get into position and lay still. A friend then bounces the bed, jostling the participants about, and basically making them have sex but "not by their own actions," which somehow makes it all alright in the eyes of God.

[-] evatronic@lemm.ee 6 points 7 months ago

Something something 🎶 fuck me in the ass because I love Jesus 🎶

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[-] thisbenzingring@lemmy.sdf.org 4 points 7 months ago

I guess it's called soaking

[-] Xtallll@lemmy.blahaj.zone 9 points 7 months ago

soaking is just laying on top with Penetration, but not moving, because God's vision is based on movement like a T-Rex. Then you get a friend to bounce on the bed so you're not moving the bed is.aeems like a lot of work for a disappointing 3 some.

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[-] peopleproblems@lemmy.world 23 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

I mean I get it. I get jealous that others have sex lives while I don't.

But trying to exert that jealousy on an entire country's population sounds a little bit extreme

[-] reverendsteveii@lemm.ee 16 points 7 months ago

If you'd ever slept with a Republican you'd join an anti-sex movement too

[-] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 15 points 7 months ago

Become?

Here's to pretending they were ever anything but..

Revisionist self delusion is unbecoming.

[-] Harbinger01173430@lemmy.world 13 points 7 months ago

...why the fuck do americant's like to go against our very own natural urges?

[-] Syltti@lemmy.world 16 points 7 months ago
[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 5 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

That's a mechanism, but not really an explanation. We could have (and historically have had) a very horny religion rather than one that hates anyone caught getting off.

I'd put the real blame on Patriarchy. Old dudes hate it when young dudes fuck. Incels hate it when anyone else gets laid. Sons are jealous of how much pipe their moms are getting. Straight men are convinced that gay men want their assholes (and secretly jealous of the gay orgy happening next door). Locals are terrified of big dick foreigners running off with their moms, wives, and daughters. And when these are the people that get to make the rules about fucking, its Mutually Assured Destruction for us all.

If you want a sexually progressive society, you need to be like the Bonobo. Put the horniest middle-aged women in charge and let male sexuality be a competition rather than a threat. Then all the grumpy, violent chimps get replaced with fabulous preening peacocks and everyone gets amazingly good at sucking clit.

[-] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 13 points 7 months ago

Became? Because they were like that when I was growing up. Their insistence on their right to knowingly give factually incorrect information in sex ed was an early radicalizing moment for me as a teenager in the late 00s

[-] FiniteBanjo@lemmy.today 12 points 7 months ago

Simultaneously anti-sex and pro-child-pregnancy, of all the stupid shit.

[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 9 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Pregnancy as a punishment rather than a goal. The specter of a nine-month-long nightmare existence, where you're bloated and nauseous and in constant physical and emotional pain, only to produce a still birth thanks to your lack of health care. That is just about as anti-sex as you can get.

[-] Leviathan@lemmy.world 6 points 7 months ago

That's because the price of admission is Christianity and marriage. If you don't have those things you don't get to be in the bodily-autonomy cool-kids club.

[-] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 5 points 7 months ago

They don’t get bodily autonomy even then. Try asking them if they think it’s really rape when a husband has sex with his wife when she says no.

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[-] DarkSpectrum@lemmy.world 8 points 7 months ago

Ironically it's probably those who resist sexuality who are the most sexually deviant

[-] NatakuNox@lemmy.world 7 points 7 months ago

They want women to be brood sows and maids. Think Handmaids Tale but with less minorities and more rape.

[-] OldWoodFrame@lemm.ee 6 points 7 months ago

This is the old school Republican party, it's what's keeping the last of the Reagan Republicans aligned with the MAGAs.

[-] blazeknave@lemmy.world 5 points 7 months ago

Subset of their war on healthcare, which is a subset of their war on humanity

[-] m3t00@lemmy.world 4 points 7 months ago

owning people still a goal. what civil war?

[-] tsonfeir@lemm.ee 4 points 7 months ago

Except for all that kiddy fucking.

[-] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 3 points 7 months ago
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