The taskbar still cannot be pinned to the side? I stay with 10.
Still no properly customisable Start menu? I stay with 10.
Still refusing to let my older devices upgrade for no good reason? I stay with 10.
And a number of further reasons that make me refuse 11.
Using 11 at work has led me to stay with 10 at home. I even disabled TPM in my bios so it is not "Windows 11 ready" or whatever.
Then, I'll be moving to Linux, which I've already done on 2/4 devices at home.
Aaaand I'm the first Linuxbro in this thread which is new for me, so I feel like I should get some kind of certificate of achievement.
π
Thanks, I will display it proudly
Not being able to pin the taskbar to the side of my screen was one of the things that made me ditch 11.
Unfortunately I'm gone be subjected to 11 at work on my company laptop.
Unfortunately I'm gone be subjected to 11 at work on my company laptop.
And this is why they get away with so much bullshit. Think about how much of Windows 11 and Edge's usage is coming from people that don't have a choice because their workplace forces it (because Microsoft tells them they must).
To avoid another failure like Windows 8, they learned a decade ago to stop trying to attract people to your new OS with quality design and desirable features, because then you'd actually have to listen to feedback and give a shit what users want instead of what executives want to push on them.
So instead they further tied features together with security, and pulled the plug on support for old versions much sooner.
Because when your corner cutting and trend chasing fails to attract users, you can still hold a gun to their head and tell them "update now or be 'unsecure'." And business customers really don't have a choice, there.
it's a tend that had been an enormous boon for disrespectful design and dark patterns in the last 20 years.
If you have admin access on your system ExplorerPatcher solves this
Looks like it would be easy for MS to allow this out of the box.
This is the issue with Win 11. You have to fix/remove so much crap.
One of the issues indeed.
Here's a few more:
And so on and so forth...
I have almost always found the good in Windows and have defended it for much of my life. I can't for the life of me understand the changes 11 made to just simple things. Change the right click menu? Change the start menu location just cause? There is no reasoning to it.
I even justified Windows 8.1 weird start menu as moving to touch friendly. But 11 just irritates me.
Not even just changed, they removed basic functionality. For example - you cannot put the task bar to the side of your screen any longer. Never mind the fact that monitors are widescreen and having it on the side gives you more screen real estate. Never mind the fact that damn near every application has interaction at the bottom of the screen and it's handy to be able to work freely without accidentally clicking something you didn't mean to. Never mind that it's been an option since windows 98. They just got rid of it. Only the bottom from now on.
I am also a recovering microsimp. I even bought a god damn Windows Phone 7 at launch. Metro UI had such promise!
I will defend to the day I die that Windows Phone was a legit great phone OS. I had several. It was only missing apps.
Yup. I got a new laptop with win11 and dutifully tried to get used to it. I ended up installing win10 pro by the next day, and even that I modify to behave a bit more like I expect. Maybe we are just old?
I just want my win 3.11 back
Windows 11 has a crap UI, is difficult to install, and offers few advantages over Windows 10. No wonder itβs tanking.
Edge has become a bloated Privacy nightmare.
Windows has become a bloated privacy nightmare.
It's the main reason I finally switched to Linux. I felt less like a customer and more like a product using Windows these days.
Win11 is why I'm using Linux Mint. Gaming was the last barrier for me and Steam is doing God's work.
MS is positioning Windows as an ad platform. Start menu is now a cluster fuck without regedit and deep dive into settings.
I prefer an OS that doesn't ask about advertisement IDs on install.
I'm planning on continuing with win10/Linux dualboot until I save up enough for a full PC upgrade, then it'll be just Linux with a Windows 10 VM if absolutely needed. I have to use win11 for work and it's absolutely awful. Alt tabbing gets stuck all the time, if I have more than one window open on a shortcut, pressing super+number gets stuck in the little preview window with nothing selectable. Can't move the task bar to the top of the screen, it constantly freezes when logging back in. Just poop all around
Windows 7, 8.1 and 10 are all superior to 11.
Firefox, Chrome and Opera are all superior to Edge.
So, yeah.
7 and 8.1?
As long as you don't like getting security updates...
Thats okay, I actually live in the mountains and power my laptop via an eliptical tied to a generator, if someone hacks me I'll simply stop pedaling
No need to rub your high tech wonder kid computer setup in our faces
It is good that they don't have those updates reboot for every update was frustrating. If that wasn't the usual behavior then I know why it BSODs.
I havent tried 11, but I hate 10. It's functional. But the fact that I had to create a Microsoft account to log in, even without internet access, drove me nuts.
There's workarounds. But the constant nagging about needing your Microsoft account is exhausting. Then to use GamePass, it was required.
I've switched to Linux on everything except my gaming computer. But soon...
Just out of curiosity, and admittedly without much intention of changing my mind regardless of the answer, but is there any compelling reason to switch to Windows 11? Some features or benefits that in any way make it a better experience than 10 (even if the overall experience isn't better for other reasons)?
but is there any compelling reason to switch to Windows 11
Windows 10 is set to sunset at the end of 2025.
That's just a reason to switch away from Windows 10, not a reason to switch to Windows 11. Though you can still use an OS after it's been sunsetted. Some people still use Windows XP.
I've got a Linux iso ready to be tested, a willingness to try out some other options, and an intent to pick one of those without even bothering with windows 11. I've only heard negative or neutral things about it (other than the multiple desktops mentioned in another comment, though that isn't unique to Windows 11). Up to this point, I've not even been willing to entertain considering windows 11, but now I'm willing to at least hear the pitch. Is there anything other than inertia that makes people want to use Windows 11?
It always used to be gamers and direct-x versions that pushed onto the newer versions of windows just to get the latest and greatest. Maybe it's just me but the difference is minimal at best on the newer games and pointless on the older ones. Windows 11 enforces stricter rules on driver signing by default so older hardware, mainly niche peripherals need extreme jiggery pokery to get working if they work at all. Couple that with the general you'll do it my way or not at all attitude Microsoft has taken with 11 and I'll stick to windows 10 and keep using it the way I want.
Shiny
The only thing i saw so far was that win11 finally supports multiple desktops.
Windows 10 has multiple desktops as well
What is specifically meant by "multiple desktops"? Like just a button to move windows around to act like virtual screens? Or is there more to it than that?
Im assuming he meant the virtual desktop vuesure yeah. Exactly what you mentioned. Its been on linux for decades but windows added it with 10
I used litestep (I think that was the name) to do that back in the 00s on Windows XP.
Where are they going to? Windows 10? Mac? It's Mac, isn't it? π
Edit: read the article --> they're going back to windows 10
I'd argue its as much the way they are pushing as it is despite the push.
Installed debian at the weekend (tbh I have been meaning to do it for months but lazy) with dual boot. Want to see exactly what I need windows for before killing the partition off.
Hilariously, they won't even let me upgrade to 11.
Can't get people on 11 if you don't make it available.
Can't upgrade if you keep the tpm2.0 chip off. My PC could handle it if I could ever figure out how to force myself to change that setting, every time I think of it SQUIRREL
Yup. Same here. Funny though, I seem to have enough attention span to learn about Linux.
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