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What the heck is with the "-er" suffix?


"I'm a witcher."

"What does a witcher do?"

"I ~~create~~ ~~watch~~ ~~catch~~ ~~breed~~ ~~f***~~ hunt witches."

"I'm a birder."

"What does a birder do?"

"I ~~create~~ ~~catch~~ ~~hunt~~ ~~breed~~ ~~f***~~ watch birds."

"Actually I think several of those could apply..."


I think the confusing-ass formula is this:

A [word1]er is a [word2]er of [word1]s.

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[–] odium@programming.dev 36 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Geralt of rivia is a witcher who fucks witches

[–] CptEnder@lemmy.world 18 points 2 years ago

Lol yeah was gonna say post got it wrong, Witchers don't hunt witches they hunt monsters.

[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 4 points 2 years ago

I think create and breed are the only ones that don't apply there.

[–] MBM@lemmings.world 32 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Isn't witcher just a word that was made up for (the English translation of) the Witcher series?

[–] shneancy@lemmy.world 16 points 2 years ago

yes, the word wiedźmin was also made up so why not

[–] Siethron@lemmy.world 22 points 2 years ago (1 children)

So a mother is someone who watches moths?

[–] Dumbkid@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 2 years ago

They create moths

[–] Neato@ttrpg.network 19 points 2 years ago (4 children)
[–] orphiebaby@lemm.ee 15 points 2 years ago

A fucker of fucks, clearly.

[–] sukhmel@programming.dev 13 points 2 years ago

A giver of fucks

[–] recapitated@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago

A fuck hunter

[–] XTL@sopuli.xyz 1 points 2 years ago

One who fucks.

[–] Boinkage@lemmy.world 17 points 2 years ago

Witcher is a silly thing to use as your first example, it's a made up word for a translated book. I can't think of another word that behaves like that. Making a mountain of a made up molehill. A Molehiller, I would call you.

[–] Annoyed_Crabby@monyet.cc 12 points 2 years ago (2 children)

A bouncer is a bouncer of bounce?

[–] rsuri@lemmy.world 12 points 2 years ago

A bouncer is a creator of bounce

[–] orphiebaby@lemm.ee 6 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Well, [word2] is probably not the same as [word1].

As an aside, the wonderful thing about Tiggers, is that Tiggers are tiggers of tiggs!

[–] 3volver@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago (1 children)

A badger verifies badge legitimacy.

[–] orphiebaby@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago

Or maybe he gives badges. Time to go find one O:

[–] Cosmos7349@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Wait so what's the word for "I f*** witches"? Asking for a friend.

[–] orphiebaby@lemm.ee 15 points 2 years ago (1 children)

"Witchbroomer", I think.

Although "Witchf***er" would make a great band name.

[–] Cosmos7349@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago

I would go see that band. I expect heavy+aggressive drums and electric guitar.

[–] Stern@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago

I'm a lemmer.

[–] Feathercrown@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I've always thought of it as "Xer" = "someone who Xes". X should be a verb. Builders build. Welders weld. Miners mine.

In the case of birder, birding is an activity, which I guess makes "bird" a verb ("to go birding"). "Witcher" was made up for the setting, but I guess "witch" is similarly a verb there.

[–] orphiebaby@lemm.ee -3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

What is "birding"? According to dictionary, it's breed, catch, or watch. Fishers fish, right? What is "to fish" really, though? To swim? To be a fish? I mean, you can't extrapolate it from the common verb as a rule, because that doesn't apply to "birding", does it?

So no, I don't think your over-simplification works.

[–] Feathercrown@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

It's not an over-simplification. This is literally just what the -er suffix does, besides the unrelated usage to make comparisons like "louder". Look up "agent noun" for more info.

What is “birding”? According to dictionary, it’s breed, catch, or watch.

The common usage is to watch birds. The extension of the verb "bird" into "birder" is also commonly understood to mean someone who watches birds.

What is “to fish” really, though? To swim? To be a fish?

What? It means to catch fish. I've never heard any other meaning? Again, it's not based on what a fish does, it's based on what the verb "fish" means, which is to catch fish.

I mean, you can’t extrapolate it from the common verb as a rule, because that doesn’t apply to “birding”, does it?

Ignoring the fact that "bird" is a verb with a fairly well-understood meaning, the reason "birder" or any other -er words are ambiguous is because the verbs are ambiguous. Words have multiple meanings... that's just something that they do. That doesn't change the overall rule that "birder" means "someone who birds", it just means you have to figure out which meaning of "bird" (as a verb) it's using.

[–] lefixxx@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

~~he is actually a hexer in his native language~~

[–] shneancy@lemmy.world 12 points 2 years ago (2 children)

wiedźmin? what? no, who told you that? get a refund or something

wiedźma - witch

witcher is as literal of a translation as you can get

[–] magikmw@lemm.ee 5 points 2 years ago

Yeah and wiedźma has the same root as wiedzieć and to know in proto indo-european. He's a man of knowledge. About killing things out of this world.

Canonically witchers world coexists in our own multiverse and was similiar to our own reality, but thanks to some bonduary bluring between cosmic realms got tainted hundreds years ago by otherwordly magic and monsters.

So the whole witcher, wiedźmin name just indicates knowledge, an is likely a name given to them by common people instead of being an endonym.

[–] lefixxx@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

Huh some YouTuber I can't remember. TIL

[–] Sebeck012@feddit.nl 6 points 2 years ago
[–] GissaMittJobb@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 years ago

I was under the impression that Witcher is to be interpreted as the male form of Witch - a Witchman, basically. I think they even call Geralt a Witchman a few times in the games, come to think of it.

[–] SrTobi@feddit.de 1 points 2 years ago (2 children)

What's the feminine form? Witchess?

[–] ikidd@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

Is -er masculine?

[–] shasta@lemm.ee 1 points 2 years ago

Nope because females are not allowed!