Maybe I'm alone, but this seems fine to me. I think evangelicals should take a page out of his book. Spend less time being horrible, and crucify themselves instead.
this post was submitted on 29 Mar 2024
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As much as I don't condone needless violence, even against oneself...
You have a great point. They should be putting their money where their mouths are.
They can't even wash people's feet, despite all the superbowl commercials.
This is definitely closer to the spirit of the Christian religion than most other extreme manifestations.
Dunno why I remembered Frisians bricking people alive into dams in the Middle Ages.
Really sad people are hurting themselves over nothing.
Better themselves than others.
That's a large portion of the history of humanity.
Not over nothing, just for no results and under false pretenses
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To everyone saying "it isn't working" - you're reading an article spreading the message of a Filipino villager in US media.
It's not like that happens all that often.
So yes, it is working pretty well actually.
Not my choice for PR stunt, but to each their own.
absolutely the correct take
But to what end? 5 minutes of fame and then back to exactly how it was before?
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Well geez how much good has all that praying done so far?
Thoughts and prayers!
It's not working too well but maybe we should just try to crucify rich people
Yeah, they're definitely crucifying the wrong people.
Wouldn't world peace involve not nailing people to crosses?
Yeah, but this guy doesn't have a magical world peace wand so he's doing this as a form of protest instead. Same principle as a hunger strike, or chaining yourself to a fence.
Humans.
Good luck next year, everybody. Maybe the 36th time is the charm
You will hear of wars and rumors of wars, but see to it that you are not alarmed. Such things must happen, but the end is still to come. 7 Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. There will be famines and earthquakes in various places.
Matthew 24
Why pray for something that Jesus Himself said wasn't going to happen?
I thought this was an Onion article as I scrolled, wtf.
fuck these spiteful and useless comments.
disturbing and violent self flagellating protest has been a tradition throughout most of recorded history. name calling and holier than thou attitudes are blatant ignorance of both history and ongoing attrocity and violence.
there’s also almost certainly a racial element at play, given the language being used. like the words “freaks” “whackos” “backwards” just happen to show up when it’s not a white guy doing the protest. i truly hope this comment can help with some self reflection on why our knee jerk reaction is the way it is here.
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CW: very edgy meme showcasing the racist undertones going on here.
35 times and so much peace accomplishment
Also nothing to do with race, what he did was pointless as well.
and do you think it's his mistake for trying to send a message even though it still hasn't been achieved?
Think he should take a different approach after all this time.
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I agree with your sentiment, but I felt compelled to comment on one crucial element here: what he has been doing isn't a protest, but some form of a religious pledge. It just so happened that this year, he's praying for world peace. This is akin to some traditions in India and other parts where self-flagellation is part of religious ritual, but only for those who pledge themselves to it. It's touched upon in the article, but he's been doing it since the 1980's as thanksgiving for his survival in an accident. Some people just do it once, but some devote their lives to it, and it seems to me that he's one of the latter.
Whether or not his actions will lead to results doesn't matter, as far as I see it. He's already devoted to the bit, and only old age (and poor health) will likely stop him.
i don’t disagree at all, except with your implication that doing it in a religious context somehow invalidates it.
at the core it’s the same thing as an atheist or agnostic performing a hunger strike or locking themselves to a fence. literally no functional difference, it just has different sociocultural aesthetics.
they are both fucking disturbing and controversial as hell. but to verbally come down on the perfomers of the protest is to entirely miss the point.
Ah, my bad. I didn't mean to imply that it being done in a religious context invalidates it, just that the religious context would inform us more about the man's intent and whether or not they'd continue on doing so regardless of the result.
I used the term "pledge" earlier, but maybe it's better to use the word "vow" to refer this. The term in Filipino is "panata" (which wiktionary translates to "vow"). It usually isn't as dramatic as this, however. And as far as I've observed, a lot would do these vows after they deem their prayers to have been heard (usually recovery from illness or accidents, or recovery from financial ruin), and thereafter, no matter what, they'd try to fulfill their vows, whether that'd be a crucifixion reenactment, or attending processions, or even just as simple as foregoing alcohol or vices or letting their hair grow.
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I must clarify my position here, I guess. I am neither in favor nor against the practice. But having grown up in the country where these practices occur, I just felt I have to clarify some things. Personally? I don't mind. They're doing these things with good intentions, and they're hurting no one. As far as I know, they don't force anyone to join them, but rather, make sure that those who are following their footsteps are sure they want to.
fair enough. it’s definitely a complex topic and i’m glad to see there are at least some individuals on here who don’t just divert to insults and thinly veiled racist remarks. thx 4 being chill and not like the guy who assumes i am christian and is currently trying to convert me via harassment? i assume?
lemmy has shown some interesting colors lately lolol
re your edit:
yes, neither am i for or against the practice. i value informed consent and i value when people bring attention to global violence. and when those come together in a disturbing way that hits the associated press, that’s also cool i guess.
not cool with people invoking bigoted rhetoric against the people protesting. guess that’s the tldr of my position.
Thanks as well. It's certainly a POV I didn't consider (that it's akin to a protest) having grown up in the culture that produced such practices. Again, thanks!
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These whackos are so far gone they literally crucify themselves… talk about natural selection
They also got the crucifixion wrong because you're supposed to pin the victim to the cross through their wrist bones between the radius and ulna to ensure they don't fall down and actually properly starve them to death for everyone to see.
If you pin through the hands the victim can just fall over and escape.
The Romans were very efficient in low effort highly visible displays of punishment.
key difference is they aren’t trying to actually kill the person. they even sanitize the nails apparently and presumably get medical treatment after.
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Surely it will work this time.
This just seems like blasphemy to me. He is trying to impersonate Jesus Christ with this reenactment. This goes beyond a church play to reenact the crucifying of Christ.
Certain people are hung up on suffering without ever moving on to what the Easter story is about: redemption.
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