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This community got removed from lemmy.world (again) (lemmy.dbzer0.com)

submitted 8 months ago by Danterious@lemmy.dbzer0.com to c/piracy@lemmy.dbzer0.com

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This is another post that alerted me of this.

https://lemmy.world/post/13287681

And here is the modlog:

https://lemmy.world/modlog?page=1&actionType=ModRemoveCommunity

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[-] Flatworm7591@lemmy.dbzer0.com 174 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Just a quick update, lemmy.world has posted an update that explains their decision here: https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/16795373

TLDR is that the person who removed the community is fairly new to the mod team and didn't realize there was a bit of a history to this situation. Also, looks like they are sticking with the decision this time around though.

Please don't harass the lemmy.world admins/mods though - if you don't like the situation you are free to register here or on another instance. And if you aren't a lemmy.world user, then this doesn't affect you at all.

I'm proud of our community here, and it's their loss, not ours! pirate captain giving the thumbs up

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[-] Excrubulent@slrpnk.net 78 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

The translation is, "It wasn't us don't get angry, but also it kind of was one of us and also we are sticking by the decision so it may as well have been us." I don't really see that it matters if the story is true - in the best possible case they're just saying that they don't have a way of setting policies and having those policies be followed.

If we've learned anything from centralised platforms it's that size doesn't protect platforms from the consequences of making bad decisions.

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[-] Arcturus@lemmy.dbzer0.com 202 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Why are people joining .world to begin with? The entire point of this is to decentralize. Joining the by far largest instance beats the entire purpose.

Join smaller ones like lemmy.one, lemmy.club, lemmings.world, lemmy.zip etc. We might need to start specifically recommending against .world and for general purpose instances like those.

Also, funny how even reddit allows r/Piracy but not .world lol

[-] Blaze@dormi.zone 103 points 8 months ago

Sync had Lemmy.world as the default instance to register a new account (might still be the case, I'm not sure). One of the factors for sure.

[-] optissima@lemmy.ml 95 points 8 months ago

So does Voyager, Raccoon, and Eternity. Everything is just defaulting to it and it's infuriating.

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[-] Arcturus@lemmy.dbzer0.com 68 points 8 months ago

The dev really needs to change that then.

Perhaps have a system of selecting randomly from a set of hand-picked general purpose instances at sign-up, where having less people gives it a higher chance of being picked (if it's of at least a certain size of course, to prevent spam etc)

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[-] JohnnyCanuck@lemmy.ca 69 points 8 months ago

Why are people joining .world to begin with?

Because how it works when you first join is very confusing, and why you would choose any particular server is not clear at all.

Also, people want to join something that is bigger and more active because it feels like it would be better (more stable, more content, etc.)

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[-] sudoreboot@slrpnk.net 55 points 8 months ago

Because they have no basis on which to decide where to go. It's like buying toothpaste but there are hundreds of options, none of which you know anything about, so you get whichever seems most popular. It minimises the risk of ending up with something which is unpopular for good reasons.

[-] SSJ2Marx@hexbear.net 41 points 8 months ago

Joining the by far largest instance beats the entire purpose.

There's kind of a tension here between Lemmy's design and what makes most people join social media websites. Most people want the biggest, most centralized website.

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[-] Adkml@hexbear.net 39 points 8 months ago

Because they actually just want to still be on reddit.

[-] gianni@lemmy.ml 33 points 8 months ago

Lemmy.world is also notoriously mismanaged and has had dubious privacy issues in the past, such as their Discord situation regarding user messages

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[-] db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 134 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

The speed that this happened suggests they might have gotten spooked by something. Put down the pitchforks mates and give them a chance to explain first.

EDIT: Welp, I expected an explanation by now...

EDIT2: https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/16795373

[-] Blizzard@lemmy.zip 59 points 8 months ago

If there's anything they should be spooked by, it's the pitchforks!

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[-] Danterious@lemmy.dbzer0.com 23 points 8 months ago

Don't you guys have an admin chat group. Or at least you guys would have some way of keeping in touch since this has happened before.

[-] db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 58 points 8 months ago

We do, in fact. They never gave a heads-up, and none has responded until now. I found about this from this post

[-] Danterious@lemmy.dbzer0.com 22 points 8 months ago

That's unfortunate.

[-] Flatworm7591@lemmy.dbzer0.com 21 points 8 months ago

Well at least they honored their commitments /s

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[-] empireOfLove2@lemmy.dbzer0.com 105 points 8 months ago

average lemmy.world moment

being the biggest has it's problems

[-] Amir@lemmy.ml 38 points 8 months ago

its

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[-] Aquilae@hexbear.net 93 points 8 months ago

.world is just the worst parts of Reddit. Even fucking Reddit hasn't banned r/Piracy (yet)

[-] Jennykichu@lemmy.dbzer0.com 38 points 8 months ago

Most of the "communities" are just endless meme reposts like reddit,

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[-] CapitanStrider@lemmy.dbzer0.com 81 points 8 months ago

Luckily it doesn't affect anything beyond people who insist on using only one instances (world). Glad to have dbzer0 around.

[-] fuwa@lemmy.dbzer0.com 30 points 8 months ago

I have four accounts on the four instances that host communities I am interested in.

It's a mild pain and definitely not what we were promised, but I guess that's the only way federation can really work in practice (especially considering when an instance is blocked user on the blocker side just continue to see it frozen in time, with no warning as to what's going on)

[-] cypherpunks@lemmy.ml 24 points 8 months ago

It’s a mild pain and definitely not what we were promised

I think this is precisely what the ActivityPub model of federation promised, actually 😅

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[-] lemann@lemmy.dbzer0.com 76 points 8 months ago

Sigh.

On the up side, if anyone wants in, they are free to create accounts on other instances

[-] Danterious@lemmy.dbzer0.com 54 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

The part that annoys me is that this was done silently even though last time they said they would ask their users. Hopefully it was just an admin that didn't get the last memo.

Edit: the community -> their users

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[-] Blaze@dormi.zone 35 points 8 months ago

Indeed, especially with 0.19 that allows you to migrate your subs and block lists in two clicks

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[-] Simon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 69 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

If any admins of lemmy.world are around, I created !westcoastedm@lemmy.dbzer0.com for the explicit reason of sharing copyright protected music. Can you ban it too? Wouldn't want to get you guys in trouble with mommy and daddy.

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[-] sabreW4K3@lazysoci.al 60 points 8 months ago

A few of the bigger instances have been very open about the fact that they're anti-piracy, anti-porn, etc and removing this community is par for the course with such a stance.

What does that mean for the average user? It means there's more incentive to move to better instances. It's when instances have such a monopoly on users and communities that people should not only move, but advocate for other people moving to smaller instances.

Also a major benefit of not being federated by large instances is that there's less surface area for search engines and thus resources last longer.

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[-] jackmarxist@hexbear.net 57 points 8 months ago

Lemmy.world is the stupidest instance around

[-] Ignacio@kbin.social 25 points 8 months ago

Indeed. In my opinion, it's called lemmy.world but it's too US centric to have the .world domain.

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[-] Yor@hexbear.net 51 points 8 months ago

Absolute joke instance lmao.

[-] Oha@lemmy.ohaa.xyz 51 points 8 months ago

Would be a good time to finally leave .world behind. That instance is way too big

[-] kratoz29@lemm.ee 49 points 8 months ago

I moved to lemm.ee from .world the last time they banned these communities, as a momentarily fix, never cared to look back as here was better managed, no censorship, quicker updates and no noticeable downtimes ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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[-] Fitik@fedia.io 43 points 8 months ago

Another reason why I like Fediverse

If Lemmy.world would have full control over it, this community would just get banned, but there's more and it is still accessable from all other places

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[-] somethingchameleon@lemmy.ca 29 points 8 months ago

I just left lemmy.world for lemmy.ca

Corporate cucks and their censors can go fuck themselves.

I'm done with that shit.

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[-] Fridgeratr@lemmy.dbzer0.com 28 points 8 months ago

Hey it got me to switch to dbzer0!

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[-] 5714@lemmy.dbzer0.com 21 points 8 months ago

A disunited federation is still a federation.

AFAIK, lemmy.world cannot remove !piracy@lemmy.dbzer0.com (but block this community or instance), because lemmy.world is another instance.