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submitted 1 year ago by awderon@lemmy.world to c/world@lemmy.world

The next years are going to be fun… The world is burning while the fossil fuel industry is chugging along like everything is great as long as you buy enough co2 credits.

I’m scared in what kind of world my children will have to live in…

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[-] Izzent@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Obviously the dude is not a biologist... Earth is gonna be fine long term, the other species are gonna be fine long term. The only thing we're running into the ground is ourselves.

Edit: check out all these clowns below who have a human superiority complex so inflated that they believe the earth will die with us 😂🤡

[-] Spzi@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago

Earth is gonna be fine long term

It's a metaphor.

Like when people say "The economy is in trouble", no one really cares about the economy itself. The economy will be fine. Even if it crashes by 90%, it's still an economy, right?

What we mean when we use these metaphors is, how the life of people living in these systems will be affected.

Maybe a better analogy to the title is the life support system of a spaceship. If that system flashes you with warning lights, you'll be worried, but not because the spaceship itself is in trouble. It will travel through space and time just fine, eons after it's passengers have suffocated.

[-] Izzent@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

A better way to phrase this, is that you believe humans deserve to live because of your own ego about your worth compared to the entire planet. Carry on.

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[-] kaffiene@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

The species driven extinct by climate change won't be fine

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[-] amesoeurs@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I'm a severe weather meteorologist for a government org (non-US). This is alarmist nonsense. There is plenty of proper statistical evidence for climate change, it's bizzare that the opinion of one irrelevant meteorologist is being voted up to the front page. Most of the weather forecasters I work with know very, very little about climate change (as do most posters on here who love to type in short, sharp sentences to make themselves seem authoritative).

[-] kinther@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

So when I see records being broken every year, year after year, I'm supposed to be like "This is fine".

Got it.

[-] amesoeurs@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

Work on your reading comprehension mate

[-] Drudge@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Take that unhelpful response back to Reddit

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[-] dear_faye@halubilo.social 0 points 1 year ago

Is it bizarre it doesn't bother me that much about what happens to humanity at this point? Scientists have seen this happening decades ago and have implored companies and governments to make changes, only to land in deaf ears... so in a way, we saw this coming and didn't care. We kinda had it coming. What I really worry for are the innocent animals, fauna, and flora that will definitely be affected by this. It upsets me even just a change in temperature can mean life or death for some species. I just hope we can still slow this down enough for them to be able to adapt too 😥

[-] 1st@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago

I’m sorry you feel that way, but I get where you’re coming from.

Zoom out a little though and it’s consequences are war, famine, and desecration.

If not the human suffering, consider eons long chains of biology that’ll be wiped off the face of the earth as climates shift quicker than their ability to adapt

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[-] Sputnik34@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

When even Florida is telling you shit is fucked... Shit is FUCKED

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[-] 0ddysseus@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

Weather and even temperature are a bit of a red herring in all this. The extreme weather is caused by the rising temps and feedback loops, but what's happening is just the heat trying to normalize. We're not going to end up with 70c at the equator and -30c at the poles. Look at the cretaceous temp, CO2, and fossil records and you'll see that the temp evens out even with CO2 massively higher then today, and you end up with things like temperate rainforest at the south pole. Our real issue and the one we should be actively fighting against (as in actual in-the-street rebellion) is the absolute destruction of the environment. Chemical dumping, strip mining, industrial fishing, industrial agriculture, forever chemicals, microplastics, desertification and deforestation. These things are going to cause ecological collapse and kill almost everyone in the next generation or two, no question about it. We don't have to worry about the heat getting us

[-] awderon@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

You are right, all these other problems are also really bad. A lot of stuff is happening at the same time. It's hard for me to read about all the shit that is going down and not be able to do anything impactful against these things.

[-] 0ddysseus@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Yeah its really tough and I try to limit my doomscrolling to the amount needed to stay informed. One huge problem with all this is that it effects the most privileged the least, and even the day to day things we can do to feel like we're helping are only really available to those of us with that privilege. Like, I could say "start a vege garden, buy hemp and wool clothes, fix things in your workshop instead of buying new" but yeah, those aren't really options most people can take unless we change the underlying structure of our society first. But then, why don't we try changing society so we can then fix these issues? In the end, it's all part of the class war, and we're losing badly.

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[-] awderon@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

I'm living in a flat, this limits what I can do on my own. But I'm looking into getting some solar panels to put up on the balcony, coupled with a storage battery this should bring down the kW/h I need from an external provider.

In the far future I would like to move out of the city and start producing more of my own food, but prices are just to high right now.

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[-] Spzi@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago

Weather and even temperature are a bit of a red herring in all this. The extreme weather is caused by the rising temps and feedback loops, but what’s happening is just the heat trying to normalize.

More and more severe extreme weather events are a bad thing, aren't they?

Environmental destruction is bad, yes. But climate change causes a host of major issues (adding ocean acidification to your list). Rising temperatures and extreme weather certainly will cause deaths and trouble long before the heat normalized, if that ever happens.

[-] barsoap@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago

Bad weather is also expensive AF. There's a reason reinsurers such as MunichRE aren't on the climate change denial train: They see the writing on the wall of not being able to back the insurers you buy your flood insurance from at a price point anyone could afford. If the damages become too high on aggregate, things simply become uninsurable (hence also why states don't require nuclear plants to have insurance but back them themselves but that's another can of hidden subsidy worms).

People are talking about "but investment in climate-friendly technology costs money and we must think of the economy and prosperity" -- motherfucker if you were thinking about prosperity and the economy you wouldn't set us on a path towards cities being destroyed faster than we can build them. Broken window fallacy times a million.

[-] axtualdave@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

Remember, elections have consequences. While, at least in the US, neither party is perfect, Republicans are actively engaged in climate denial.

Vote accordingly.

[-] 0ddysseus@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Elections sort of have consequences sometimes. In some places. Especially in the US, both sides play the same game and both allow corporations to act with enough impunity for it to make no difference who is in charge. The fact that "democracy" has become a choice between two essentially identical options tells you everything you need to know about the idea. Not to mention that the US is a republic not a democracy anyway and is therefore a totally different beast. And the second biggest economy and influence on the climate is China - another "democracy" which isn't one.

[-] JudgeHolden@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

"the US is a Republic not a democracy..."

Thanks for telling us that you don't know WTF you're talking about.

This idea of yours, that republics and democracies are somehow mutually exclusive concepts is a deeply stupid category error that has zero basis in political science (to say nothing of practical reality) and almost always is the redoubt of those who wish to justify the dysfunction of the current status quo.

[-] 0ddysseus@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

There's no need to get upset about it mate. At least not about my comment. Please do get upset about (I assume) your government. Its a shitshow. I never said anything about mutual exclusivity, all I said is that being a republic, the rulesa re different to what they would be otherwise. Gerrymandering, the executive branch, the judicial branch, and especially the electoral college, all mean that even though some people are allowed to vote, power lies with the political class and oligarchs, not with the people voting.

Here's some handy info about republics: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic

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[-] hark@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

It seems like elections only have consequences and never any benefits. While republicans are worse than democrats, I don't see democrats moving effectively in this area. It's usually business as usual with democrats (e.g. Biden signing in more drilling permits). At best I see too-little-too-late agreements with non-strict enforcement that republicans can cancel any time they get power (which is inevitable in our system).

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