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[–] grue@lemmy.world 167 points 2 years ago (4 children)
[–] PugJesus@kbin.social 63 points 2 years ago (4 children)

Note: This is sure as shit not meant to downplay or deny Israel's ongoing genocide. Only to point out the absurdity of some online leftists in simping for Hamas and expressing disbelief that far-right theocrats with a history of committing terrible crimes would commit terrible crimes.

[–] grue@lemmy.world 41 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

I saw that, which is why I didn't label the character "OP." It was intended more of a response in general, not a specific criticism of you.

[–] PugJesus@kbin.social 11 points 2 years ago
[–] tocopherol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 2 years ago

In my view it's rare that anyone really 'simps for Hamas', they are the leading militant group in Gaza opposing the Israeli state though so if there are victories against IDF forces it's usually going to be under that umbrella, and praising a victory against IDF is not the same as praising past terror attacks. I've never heard anyone confused that they are communist. There are Marxist-Leninist groups in Palestine though, like the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine.

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[–] WallEx@feddit.de 84 points 2 years ago (19 children)

Its warcriminals fighting warcriminals, change my mind.

[–] sab@kbin.social 30 points 2 years ago (3 children)

I guess it's war criminals killing civilians, mostly.

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[–] cashews_best_nut@lemmy.world 75 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Who has ever said they're communists?

[–] darcy@sh.itjust.works 54 points 2 years ago (1 children)
[–] BrianTheeBiscuiteer@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago

Gotta keep that connection between violence and communism alive or people may start to think it's not true.

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[–] Leviathan@lemmy.world 73 points 2 years ago (15 children)

Yeah and so is Israel. I don't support either, I support Palestinians.

[–] PugJesus@kbin.social 16 points 2 years ago
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[–] doctorcrimson@lemmy.world 54 points 2 years ago (1 children)

The only people on Hamas' side are Netanyahu, the former Muslim Brotherhood, and Iran who all worked hard to keep Hamas well funded and in a position of authority. The important thing is to side with Palestine, not with Hamas.

[–] PugJesus@kbin.social 11 points 2 years ago (7 children)

And some online loons, but yes.

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[–] Wilzax@lemmy.world 50 points 2 years ago (8 children)

Hamas is indisputably the enemy, the issue is that the tactics Israel uses to eliminate them also cause more civilian damage than should ever be acceptable. Often they target hospitals and schools where Hamas activity isn't even confirmed, seemingly just to cripple infrastructure and kill Palestinians.

[–] WanderingVentra@lemm.ee 34 points 2 years ago (1 children)

It makes Palestinians leave, making it easier for them to get the land. Isreal has made no secret of wanting everything up to Jordan.

[–] EisFrei@lemmy.world 26 points 2 years ago (1 children)

It also radicalizes them, creating the next generation of terrorists.

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[–] Damionsipher@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago (1 children)

"The enemy" of who? If a group is elevated to being an enemy due to the killing of civilians, the Israel government would easily meet that standard before Hamas.

[–] Wilzax@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

The enemy of a fair and peaceful life for the innocent. Both Hamas and Israel have made it clear that they want conquest, not peace.

Israel is also the enemy. The enemy of our enemy should not always be our friend

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[–] bort@feddit.de 39 points 2 years ago (10 children)

who thought hamas was communist?

[–] Drivebyhaiku@lemmy.world 12 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Communist (noun)

  1. Anybody who trying to make Conservatives feel remotely guilty for being totally chill with a lot of people starving, being unhoused in unsanitary conditions and being denying life saving medical care because they are poor, foreign or inconvenient.

  2. Authoritarian bogeyman who will destroy civilization via terrorism

  3. Not a Republican

By the Conservative rubric of identifying communists we're pretty much all weilding a hammer and sickle.

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[–] licherally@lemmy.world 34 points 2 years ago (16 children)

I don't disagree with this, but Hamas was created by Israel, and now Israel is bombing all of Gaza because of Hamas. It really seems like Israel has been planning this genocide for a loooong time.

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[–] mashbooq@infosec.pub 32 points 2 years ago (1 children)

But you see, in a dialectical analysis, far-right terrorists like Hamas serve a progressive role by not being the US, and therefore deserve critical support by leftists who are definitely not crypto-fascists. —Marxist-Leninists

[–] PugJesus@kbin.social 25 points 2 years ago

I see you've met Lemmygrad.

[–] fidodo@lemmy.world 25 points 2 years ago (16 children)

I don't know why it's so hard for certain people to understand that sometimes (actual most of the time), all sides are the bad guys.

[–] sunbytes@lemmy.world 12 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Maybe, there are more sides than just the people with guns and bombs.

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[–] PugJesus@kbin.social 25 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (7 children)

Note: This is sure as shit not meant to downplay or deny Israel's ongoing genocide. Only to point out the absurdity of some online leftists in simping for Hamas and expressing disbelief that far-right theocrats with a history of committing terrible crimes would commit terrible crimes.

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[–] niktemadur@lemmy.world 23 points 2 years ago (4 children)

It's incredible that this meme has a reason to exist, that there truly are people who refuse to accept the obvious, that Hamas is an extreme radical organization that feeds on hatred and is more than willing to use and abuse their own population as cannon fodder, for martyrdom-propaganda purposes.

[–] chuckleslord@lemmy.world 12 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Yep, and that the existence of Hamas doesn't give Israel the right to Genocide anyone. It seems really simple on the surface, but fucking Christ do humans love their team sports analogs.

"If you don't full-throated support Israel, you're antisemitic and must love Hamas"

I actually hate both, because both are doing extreme harm, but Israel is on a different level and actively supports Hamas because they're useful opposition. Hamas is a symptom of the oppression that Israel has instituted.

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[–] LavaPlanet@lemmy.world 19 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Yeah maybe but Netanyahu put Hamas in power, against recommendations, and blatantly obvious issues. It had to be purposeful so he had a target that "deserved" to be bombed, so the campaign for the last 70 years could speed up.

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[–] EuroNutellaMan@lemmy.world 16 points 2 years ago (7 children)

Doesn't justify the bombing of hospitals and civilians. Nobody likes Hamas but they're the result of Israel's illegal annexation of Palestinian territories and subsequent genocide.

What do you think the Palestinians who had their house and families expropriated, blown up and/or resettled by an Apartheid State will do? Not like/join the guys who want to get rid of Israel more?

Before Israel's bombing campaign, Hamas wasn't very popular among Palestinians, now however I assume Israel gave Hamas way more recruits.

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[–] JigglySackles@lemmy.world 16 points 2 years ago (1 children)

That part supporters of either group fail at is that neither Hamas or the Israeli government are worthy of support or in the right. One behaves worse than the other at the moment. But there can never be peace with those two in power. It's a really fucked situation and my heart really hurts for the people caught in the crossfire of it all.

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[–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 15 points 2 years ago (6 children)

Weird, didn't know that people thought well of Hamas...

I kind of hate this meme format though because it's normally used to erect straw men, in my experience.

[–] EuroNutellaMan@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago (2 children)

I kind of hate this meme format though because it's normally used to erect straw men, in my experience.

Boy do I have some news for you

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[–] Filthmontane@lemmy.world 15 points 2 years ago (1 children)

The PPP are the Communist freedom fighters and Israel has funded Hamas for years to stop the PPP from coming into power. It's easier to fight radical fundamentalists than it is to fight socialists.

[–] dulce_3t_decorum_3st@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago (3 children)

It's easier to fight radical fundamentalists than it is to fight socialists.

Excuse me, what?

[–] PugJesus@kbin.social 14 points 2 years ago (6 children)

Radical fundamentalists, I believe they're saying, make more palatable enemies. Same essential reason why Hamas was funded by Israel to split Palestinian support from Fatah - Fatah, as a secular and nominally leftist organization drew some international sympathy - Hamas, much less.

The other side of the coin is that Hamas was able to rise in the first place because Fatah had become incredibly corrupt and inept.

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[–] ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works 11 points 2 years ago (5 children)

Shit the communists I know saw this coming a mile away and were some of the first trying to make sure people understood Hamas is a right wing theocratic movement.

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