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[-] tourist@lemmy.world 115 points 10 months ago

I hate that whenever I check in to see how flat earthers are doing they've somehow grown in size

Like... Why

They have to do all this shoddy crackhead troll math to prove how something like timezones can work on a flat earth but then it completely invalidates the shoddy crackhead troll math they did to prove how gravity works on a flat earth.

[-] Ragerist@lemmy.world 48 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

It allows stupid people to have a community where they feel smart, and that they know something most people don't.

I bet that's not something they are used to

[-] noobdoomguy8658@feddit.de 24 points 10 months ago

People aren't rational beings - we mostly operate on emotions, fueled by chemical reactions to certain events and sensations and experiences.

Most flat-earthers probably don't care about any of the "facts" or "explanations" they hear or spread or study or come up with - first and foremost, it's a community to them, a place where they feel like they belong and such. For their own reasons, they allow the obviously positive emotions they experience there to outweigh any of the absurd they may honestly recognize internally, but never admit or voice out or truly give in to.

I think I've seen several somewhat lengthy videos on YouTube on the matter, explaining how and why that happens. It's a mechanism similar to other conspiracy theories and communities around them, as well as various cults - vulnerable, susceptible people are the ones to usually to end up in these because they're reeled in one way or the other.

I'm not saying the theory isn't nonsense, of course; only that the theory itself is probably only a facade for a way for some people to experience connection with others, a sense of belonging, some shared activities, something along these lines. That's why you shouldn't be surprised that their numbers grow or that they can easily ignore facts and science - it simply isn't about facts or science, but emotions and feelings.

[-] pixelscript@lemmy.ml 7 points 10 months ago

I'd argue this is at the root of all fringe theories and why they all seem to attract the same archetypes of people.

We are living in an era of history where long traditional societal norms are in rapid turnover. The "old ways of doing things" are dying off, and the new ways that replaced them are often a revolving door. Very little in the world at any given time feels stable and secure.

Institutional trust is breaking down. Interacting with the world in good faith is increasingly leaving you open to abuse by bad actors. Why trust anything, then? Trust is for rubes. You're an intelligent, free, and independent thinker. You should question anything and everything that is simply handed down to you. Especially if it is unintuitive. To not do so is to be railroaded.

And it's that last part in particular that identifies the most fertile candidates for a good conspiracy theory. Like, is the Earth round? It looks flat to me. Essentially all evidence you can throw at the notion falls either into at least one of, "I witnessed it, trust me bro", "hope you like letters in your math equations" (people who can't intuit math won't be impressed by any proofs), or "you can do this experiment at home, you just need / so you can watch for ". A depressing sum of people in the world will remain unconvinced by any demonstration that isn't simple, intuitive, and of an overwhelmingly obvious magnitude. Complex answers or answers that observe tiny effects are scams.

And just like that, we've abandoned rational thought and replaced it with trust-averse thought. We've invented the notion that the world is a hostile place where anyone trying to hand you something is an agenda-pusher trying to extract something of value from you. All of the world's major institutions are shams designed to keep you complacent in some sort of world order that is merely using you. To participate in it is to further your enslavement.

In that hellish headspace, conspiracy theories almost feel like a haven. Finally! A group of real thinkers who share your frustrations about the world! The underground movement working to free us all from the hostile system!

Except, no. At best it's just a bunch of people who are wrong indulging in a little harmless escapism. At worst it's a mass of people getting Immanuel Goldstien'd by the very kind of well-spoken swindler they're breaking their collective backs bending over to avoid in the first place. Regardless the form it takes, my hypothesis remains: proliferation of conspiracy theories is merely a symptom of a lack of trust.

[-] c0mbatbag3l@lemmy.world 13 points 10 months ago

At the end of the day people love being in the "in" group that knows everyone else is blinded by falsehoods and they're above it all and "in the know." Religion has been that for a lot of people in the past as well as in current times, pretty much every high control group is developed due to this mentality as well.

[-] miridius@lemmy.world 8 points 10 months ago

why

Because it's a business, there are people out there profiting from it and so it keeps growing

[-] AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world 4 points 10 months ago

That's the usual explanation that's given, but how do they even profit? What do you sell to those idiots? (I suppose that since they're idiots you can just sell them pretty much anything)

[-] Obi@sopuli.xyz 6 points 10 months ago

Probably the YouTube views alone make for a pretty penny.

[-] theneverfox@pawb.social 2 points 10 months ago

Your problem is you're bringing math into it wrong.

You see, Earth is actually a hypersphere. You can get to Agatha, which itself appears as a normal 3d planet, through tunnels that twist ana to kata. That's why water seems to sometimes flow uphill - that's a sign that a tunnel might be close.

There you go. It's got secret lore, it encourages learning math, and it gives people a hobby where they look for inconsistencies in physics instead of rejecting it. We could even make some interesting discoveries if people are going out trying to find places where physics is weird.

It's basic math, if you want to reduce flat earthers, you have to cancel them out

[-] KrapKake@lemmy.world 108 points 10 months ago

I kind of feel like flat earth thing started out with people trolling, but a number of morons believed it to be true and now it's just trolls leading the idiots.

[-] PM_Your_Nudes_Please@lemmy.world 40 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

That’s actually exactly how it started. 4chan started memeing about flat earth, pretending to take it seriously. But then the idiots found it, and Poe’s Law fused with the Dunning-Kruger Effect.

The idiots couldn’t tell it was sarcasm, and thought it was serious. Simultaneously, they thought they had stumbled into a huge conspiracy. So then the flat earth stuff took on a life of its own, and the conspiracy became self-sustaining as idiots began a positive feedback loop.

At that point, 4chan took a step back to watch, and just sort of let go of the reins. Because at a certain point, reality is more funny than any memes you can come up with, and this was the peak of entertainment for the people who started it as a joke. Seeing their joke take on a life of its own was better than anything they could have imagined.

It’s like the first kid who came up with the “Marilyn Manson had ribs removed so he could suck his own dick” lie, hearing it from someone from another school for the first time; The excitement would be unparalleled, as they realize just how large the joke has become.

[-] Hobo@lemmy.world 21 points 10 months ago

Damn 4chan existed in 1956 when the Flat Earth Society was started? Is there anything 4channers won't try to take credit for?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modern_flat_Earth_beliefs#Flat_Earth_Society

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flat_Earth

[-] unique_hemp@discuss.tchncs.de 10 points 10 months ago

I mean, it could still have been responsible for popularising it.

[-] Hobo@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago

Sure as well as every other social media platform since the inception of the internet. I remember seeing Flat Earth insanity on myspace, digg, and even fark. But no one runs around and claims flat earth was popularized on those sites. What they're saying above isn't based in reality unless you're willing to say the same about every single social media platform.

[-] theangryseal@lemmy.world -1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Yup. Dah wha happen right tare.

Sure, idjuts have always existed, but now they can meet and be idjuts 2gedder onnuh innuh net.

We yoose to say, “shuttup idjit, go back in ur howse and be dum.”

Now they go innuh house and be dum wit millions all dum 2gedder, 4ever, on 4uhms.

Edit:

Ack chuhlee, it’s on 😐book payjuhz and groops.

Edit 2: I miss spelled werds.

[-] volvoxvsmarla@lemm.ee 11 points 10 months ago

I clicked on the hyperlink with great anticipation to find a link to the Wikipedia page for Poe's Law, the Dunning-Kruger effect, the history of the flat earth conspiracy, or an article about it. Didn't expect what I got but I can't say I was disappointed.

[-] needthosepylons@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago

I'm in the same bot and I couldn't have put it better!

[-] words_number@programming.dev 4 points 10 months ago

I love this story and I want to believe it's true, but I can't. It's just not plausible that an ancient religious myth like the flat earth wasn't already a conspiracy theory before 4chan.

[-] EvolvedTurtle@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago

Hell didn't 4chan start the whole Covid vaccine are putting trackers in and such

[-] KrapKake@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago

Haha, I kind of figured it started at 4chan. I think the whole "microwaving phones" originated from there as well.

[-] fox2263@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago

Isn’t that how Qanon happened too?

People would post ridiculous theories and see if anyone believed it. Sadly they did.

[-] sysadmin420@lemmy.world 22 points 10 months ago

Like the birds aren't real dude, 😎

[-] PM_Your_Nudes_Please@lemmy.world 8 points 10 months ago

The Plandemic™️ was to force everyone inside for a few weeks, so the government could change the batteries in all the birds

[-] Holzkohlen@feddit.de 2 points 10 months ago

Spies of Saruman?

[-] Klear@lemmy.world 13 points 10 months ago

Yeah, the model is actually remarkably solid. I'm convinced it started as a thought experiment, if the Earth was flat, how could you explain as much evidence to the contrary as possible without breaking the laws of physics? That's why there's absolutely no good reason why this conspiracy would be mainained by thousands of people for centuries without any gain - because that was not the point.

[-] Pantherina@feddit.de 10 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Basically Christianity and mushrooms

Eve at an apple? Really?

Moses saw a burning acacia bush ?

[-] Octopus1348@lemy.lol 3 points 10 months ago

No, it started out when the telescope was invented but people couldn't go to space so they could only speculate.

[-] KrapKake@lemmy.world 6 points 10 months ago

I'm aware that in the past people believed the earth was flat. I'm saying that recently..like within the last 5 years or so it made a comeback for whatever reason.

[-] Octopus1348@lemy.lol 2 points 10 months ago

I'm aware that you're aware. I just made the comment as a joke.

[-] UrPartnerInCrime@sh.itjust.works 2 points 10 months ago

I think believing in flat earth just stems from not trusting the government.

[-] c0mbatbag3l@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago

Interesting, considering observations with a telescope and the development of calculus is what allowed us to understand that the solar system works out like it does via physics and the mathematics that it's based on.

[-] Bene7rddso@feddit.de 1 points 10 months ago

Exactly. Before that it was kinda understandable to think the earth is flat. After, not so much

[-] Bene7rddso@feddit.de 1 points 10 months ago

Actually it started out when Erathostenes calculated the size of the earth

[-] EnsignReposti@kbin.social 1 points 10 months ago

This person knows their crusty old Greek men!

[-] PeriodicallyPedantic@lemmy.ca 73 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Flat earthers ain't never touched a globe out here like "yeah, Greenland is about the same size as the continental united states and most of northern Africa"

[-] SlopppyEngineer@lemmy.world 58 points 10 months ago

Everything of flat earth theories breaks down as soon as the southern hemisphere gets involved.

[-] Omega_Haxors@lemmy.ml 10 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

I'm willing to bet the reason it's like that is because there isn't a single flat earther outside the same map

[-] jak@sopuli.xyz 5 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

That community doesn’t have any posts, what map is it?

[-] Omega_Haxors@lemmy.ml 13 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Huh weird. It's these maps. Random stuff that always results in the same distributions as if something underlying was driving the scores.

same map same map still yep, same map still

[-] HamBrick@programming.dev 3 points 10 months ago

Mooooom, can I move to Canada?

[-] Omega_Haxors@lemmy.ml 2 points 10 months ago

Regardless of what the propaganda maps say it really isn't that much better in Canada.

[-] creamed_eels@toast.ooo 3 points 10 months ago

If the earth is flat, then where do the CHUDs and Morlocks live huh? Chessmate!

[-] p1mrx@sh.itjust.works 40 points 10 months ago

[-] theyoyomaster@lemmy.world 23 points 10 months ago

They accidentally a hemisphere.

[-] jaybone@lemmy.world 5 points 10 months ago

They on purposed a hemisphere.

[-] cgamesplay@lemm.ee 3 points 10 months ago

Depending on how fast you can swim, it might even be faster to go through Mexico and up.

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