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[–] kplaceholder@lemmy.world 56 points 1 year ago (10 children)

Not to be rude, but I'm struggling to believe half the comments in this thread are legit. Do you really mean to tell me that Lemmy, a platform notoriously populated almost exclusively by anti-corporate tech people that really value FOSS and privacy –hence the reason why all of us are here instead of Reddit– has this many users thinking it is a remotely acceptable idea to pay for a Premium service for one of the most invasive companies online?

I think most of us understand the many underhanded techniques used by Google to achieve an almost monopolistic control of some aspects of the internet, but when talking about YouTube, suddenly all the logic is reduced to "if you use a service, pay for it, or else let them show you ads"?? what????? Also, what's with comparing adblocking to stealing????

My own answer to the topic of this thread is that no, I won't be paying for YouTube Premium anytime soon, possibly ever. Google has betrayed my trust many times in the past, and on top of that I don't consider adverts as a legitimate source of income, so I will block any and all ads everywhere without paying an extra cent.

"But if you keep using their service, so you need to give them some form of revenue! Otherwise you just want free stuff!" I only keep using their service because Google has spent many years dumping on other platforms so that YouTube is –almost– the only platform that still exists where all the good creators are, so I will begrudgingly watch them on YouTube because there aren't any options. But I will resist Google's many insidious attempts to monetize me to the best of my ability while doing so.

That said, it's really dishonest to claim that people who block ads on YouTube just want free stuff and don't understand that services have a cost. Personally, I pay for Nebula because I do support the project and the creators involved. But YouTube won't see a cent from me, not with my consent at least.

[–] MystikIncarnate@lemmy.ca 33 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Not everyone is on Lemmy because they're anti-corporate, FOSS enthusiasts. For example, I came here because Reddit became a dumpster fire of unreasonable policies and very restrictive accessibility to the site. I simply will not install their app. Everything I've seen and heard about it is revolting. I'm certain I will hate it and I'm not going to bother trying at this point. Since a nontrivial amount of my time on Reddit was via an app, and that app no longer works, I'm just not going to use the service.

I like FOSS, and I support FOSS whenever I can, but I'm hardly anti corporate. The big G has tried and failed at getting monopoly status for most things. Arguably their most successful services are search, mail and YouTube.

Me, personally, I pay for Google's services and share those benefits with my family. We have extra Google drive storage, YouTube music/YouTube premium, and all the benefits that come with that (I don't recall all of them right now). One payment takes care of my entire household. So for less than $20/month we all enjoy all the benefits of those subscriptions. It comes out to less than $5/person/month.

I don't blame anyone for not wanting those services. I certainly don't hold that against them. I completely understand the viewpoint. YouTube is very aggressive about everyone having premium. I see ads on YouTube when I'm using it on my work PC for music or to look something up on there; because my personal Google account is not and will never be associated to my work PC. I see what it's like "on the other side" so to speak. I can see how aggro their efforts are to get people to subscribe to premium. How invasive the ads have become, and how annoying it is to deal with all that. I get it.

I also don't really hate Google for it. They want people to buy their premium service and they have taken steps to try to encourage that. I understand, but I don't necessarily agree with their choices.

In my mind they're not the most egregious offender for being anti consumer in their methodology. Good examples of anti-consumer behaviour is Netflix trying to put an end to account sharing, or Reddit's API changes that basically kicked out a nontrivial number of its users for seemingly no good reason. There's plenty more anti consumer actions from other companies that I can point to that are far worse than what YouTube is doing.

In my mind, Google has supported FOSS more than most big tech companies. Android, at it's core is FOSS, built on Linux. Chrome is based on chromium, which is FOSS as well. There's numerous other examples of Google supporting FOSS. Sure, they have their own versions of that integrate Google services into the products and provide extra features on top of what the FOSS versions do. But I can't think of any company that even comes close to the support of FOSS that Google has. In my mind they're simply not the worst offender. They're not innocent, but not the worst.

That's my opinion though and it's just one of many possible opinions. Far be it for me to impose my opinion on anyone else. If you want to distrust Google and use FOSS things instead, that's fine. It's your choice. If you agree but still don't want to pay them for premium, that's okay too. Or if you want to drink the Kool-aid and pay for all of their services, that's also your choice.

Have a great day.

[–] ThePac@lemmy.ml 16 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (7 children)

I'm only here 'cause it was the first lemmy instance I joined after the reddit bullshit.

I pay for YT Premium.

I'm also back on reddit arguing with people.

So, yeah... I'm everything this place hates.

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[–] InputZero@lemmy.ml 13 points 1 year ago

Shoutout to Nebula! I might pay for it but it's like old YouTube without the bullshit. Worth it in my opinion.

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[–] conorab@lemmy.conorab.com 45 points 1 year ago (14 children)

Reasons not to buy premium:

  • Google having a history of all the videos you watch via your account.
  • Even if Google provided an option to opt out of tracking there would be no reason to trust then since they have lied about not tracking people in the past.
  • YouTube seems to redirect any Premium profits intended to creators to the entity which made a copyright claim on a video. This would be sensible if YouTube’s copyright claim system wasn’t so vulnerable to abuse. Normal (yellow) demonetisation will pay out from Premium though. https://youtu.be/PRQVzPEyldc?si=5-wFn2SqPZLdOlqa
  • Features are removed from YouTube to incentivise Premium such as playing videos while your phone screen is locked.
  • Similar to above, Google have been increasing the amount of ads particularly on phones where ad blockers are harder to use. I.E. pushing users to Premium not by making the service better, but by making non-Premium worse.
[–] dubyakay@lemmy.ca 26 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Your utub link seems to contain a tracking Id.

[–] conorab@lemmy.conorab.com 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Not particularly surprising. It was copied from the YouTube iOS app...

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[–] riodoro1@lemmy.world 40 points 1 year ago (19 children)

Im not holding my breath for someone to start hosting petabytes of videos for free. I don’t like ads, so I’m just going to pay.

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[–] SouravSatvaya@lemmy.world 31 points 1 year ago (1 children)

1 Ad - Fine. 2 Ads - Ok. 3 Ads - Closed YouTube.

[–] Sheeple@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago (1 children)

4 Ads - uBlock Origin installed on Firefox

[–] EastSideRock@lemmy.ml 11 points 1 year ago

Should have been from the beginning

[–] JeffreyOrange@lemmy.world 29 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (5 children)

They should include sponsorblock with youtube premium, I won't pay 12€ per month to watch more ads than on free tv. Youtube doesn't even make their own content. 5€ max for youtube would be okay with no ads.

[–] madcaesar@lemmy.world 17 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Absolutely. 5$,sponsor block, no ads and no music premium bullshit. I don't want it.

Edit: I forgot! Give me the fucking downvote count back so I can quickly know which videos are bullshit you assholes!

[–] test113@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago (2 children)

YouTube cannot do that. YouTube's content legal system does not allow this.

That said, I use SponsorBlock and love it to the degree of finding it necessary depending on what type of content I am watching.

Why do people hate YouTube Premium anyway? I don't quite get it. I have had it since it was available in my country, and I love it.

Also, I have to say I use the YouTube Vanced app with SponsorBlock and custom layout (no shorts, no uploads, no etc.) and YouTube Premium subscription. I don't like the default YouTube app.

So, I don't know if I like YouTube or just the model and content/creators behind it.

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[–] TTimo@lemm.ee 27 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I pay for a premium account and I get more value out of it than Netflix or any other streaming service.

[–] lemmylurkaround@lemmy.world 25 points 1 year ago (4 children)

People are out to lunch on this whole situation. Try running a service that hosts somewhere between 2 and 3 billion Gigabytes of data. Where basically anyone on the planet can upload gigs of video and YouTube will still make it available 10 years later. You are never going to crowd source that, ever. I also pay for premium and I get at least 5x the value of any other streaming service. Just on home renovations, it's probably saved me 10k+ being able to watch tutorials about every kind of repair.

[–] Xanis@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Youtube Premium is literally the only subscription service I pay for. Apart from your reasons there is one very solid reason behind my choice:

I can find shows and movies for free online if I bothered trying, it isn't difficult. I cannot easily do the same for Youtube content.

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[–] BluesF@lemmy.world 22 points 1 year ago (2 children)

YouTube premium has millions of users and it makes them literally billions of dollars. There is no boulder.

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[–] JCreazy@midwest.social 22 points 1 year ago

I had YouTube when it was YouTube red and I was a part of a family plan with my friend for a couple years. I split the family plan with a few people and ended up paying $3 a month. Eventually he moved across country and YouTube said that since we didn't have the same IP address that I could not be a part of the family plan so I ended up signing up for my own account. At some point I was trying to pay off my debt so I cancelled all my subscription services. YouTube premium included. I started watching YouTube and then I saw it. An ad. Something I hadn't seen in years. It was the most annoying thing ever. I couldn't believe that people put up with that. I was so annoyed by the ads that I looked at how to obtain YouTube and YouTube music for free without ads because I needed to save the money and the ads were so intrusive that this was what I was going to do and that is what I still do to this day.

[–] jimbo@lemmy.world 20 points 1 year ago (8 children)

I would be fine paying for a YouTube premium account if I could get one for like $3-4 that just removes the ads. I don't want their music service.

[–] anarchy79@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

But then you have to pay $5 for every funkin service, I use dozens of platforms, that's going to be $100 a month for all of it. It simply isn't feasible, and frankly, this is a systemic capitalist issue, and we need to revolt and tear it down.

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[–] winterayars@sh.itjust.works 17 points 1 year ago

Google really is the king of "you don't REALLY mean 'no'. Try again."

[–] EastSideRock@lemmy.ml 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Time to switch to private invidious/piped instances been using it myself with Yattee app on iOS

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[–] MucherBucher@feddit.de 15 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (17 children)

ITT: "it costs more than 5 bucks a month!" yeah, if you don't share with friends with family, it does. Also, music service included, deduct your spotify payment.

"You can just block ads" You can just miss the whole point.

"I rather support creators directly" I'm happy you do that. YouTube hosting is not free for Google/Alphabet, pay them too, or you'll have to teach each and every creator how to webhost + help em search a "real job" because selfhosted won't pay enough. Also, good fun browsing videos then.


IDK man, paying for YT Premium really isn't that bad. Assuming you already consume YouTube content, that is. And I'm pretty sure that's like 98% of first world population between 4 and 70.

Blocking ads on YouTube is no sustainable solution. Hosting Billions of Gigabytes of on-demand content is SUPER expensive. Like, it actually costs money. Other, wayyy smaller indie creator on-demand video platforms charge 5 bucks a month, but i'ts okay if they do it, because they aren't big bad Alphabet.

If that's your view, you don't have a problem with pricing, you have a problem with morals. And if you still do voluntarily consume YouTube content in private, with or without ads in any which way, you inarguably have a huge problem with your own morals.

YouTube premium is a good deal. It's priced very well compared with competition, it actually does pay indie creators and it let's you access to features that many users really do use.

BUTBUT THEY ARTIFICIALLY LIMIT FEATURES FOR NO REASON WITHOUT PREMIUM. I mean, it's subscription software and streaming, what else would they do? Every for profit subscription software provider and their mother does this. I develop hospital software and we literally do exactly this. If hospital A has feature x and hospital B also wants that, we don't just hand that out for free even when we just have to add it to their system in like 10 minutes... what did you expect? They already use our software (like you use YouTube), we don't have a huge incentive to just randomly add features if nobody paid for it. If we do, be happy about it, send me a gift card, if we or they don't, that's just business.

[–] Aganim@lemmy.world 27 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (19 children)

5 bucks? If only.. It's 12 euros per month here, which is simply too expensive for the kind of content I watch on YT. Especially considering the amount of baked in product placement (VPN, diet plans, that kind of crap) that I come across, I'm not paying that kind of money just to still get hammered with commercials. Sorry, but YouTube Premium is a bad deal here.

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[–] Sunfoil@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Why would I pay YouTube that when I can give it directly to the creators though. I'll just adblock and not put money in the hands of Google, while helping the creators more.

[–] straypet@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Without the content delivery system, creators don't really have a way to share their creations with you.

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[–] ReadingCat@programming.dev 9 points 1 year ago (5 children)

I mean without YouTube/ Google the alternative for most creators would be to host the videos themselves. And then you would have like 20 Sites which you had to check yourself regularly to get new videos. I get that YouTube isn't the best solution, but the alternative is much worse. There is a reason why we don't all still have our own small WordPress blogs.

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[–] hubobes@sh.itjust.works 15 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (5 children)

5 bucks? I am in. But it’s 16 swiss francs. That’s just too much for me as I don’t need Youtube Music.

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[–] Rosco@sh.itjust.works 13 points 1 year ago

mpv + yt-dlp Enough said.

[–] phorq@lemmy.ml 13 points 1 year ago (5 children)

The problem is that they actually don't mean that. And truthfully I don't mind the idea of paying for video hosting, that shit's expensive, but YouTube is going about it in the worst way possible.

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[–] AgileWorkflows@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Firefox + ublock origin on desktop, and youtube revanced on android 👍

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[–] Rikj000@discuss.tchncs.de 9 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Paying for spy-ware,
how dense do they think we are?!

Let Google rot :)

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[–] MacNCheezus@lemmy.today 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yet people keep going back there... curious.

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[–] gandalf_der_12te@feddit.de 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

shows me 3 ads in a row

"oh, you don't want to see ads? too bad"

sounds kinda cynical

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