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Yeah, I know they are ancient roman symbols that have been and are used in contexts unrelated to Fascism. More of an example of Fascists being unoriginal. Whatever.

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[-] invalidusernamelol@hexbear.net 22 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

I mean, that's literally the root word of fascism. Which is also the root word for the derogatory term for homosexuality.

Also fascism is based heavily on American policies so the adoption of Roman iconography and words is because America as a political entity is mired in Greco-Roman imagery.

[-] JohnBrownNote@hexbear.net 6 points 9 months ago

Which is also the root word for the derogatory term for homosexuality.

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[-] AcidMarxist@hexbear.net 22 points 9 months ago

Nuremburg Laws, Jim Crow, Lebensraum, Manfiest Destiny, etc.etc. etc.

[-] HakFoo@lemmy.sdf.org 18 points 9 months ago

A similar motif exists on US dimes 1916-1945.

[-] Justice@lemmygrad.ml 15 points 9 months ago

I assume everyone here knows this, but if for some reason one doesn't know, the white clowns that founded the United States as its known today were pretty much what you might call "weebs for Rome."

I know there's more history to it than "Roman eagle good! US eagle... good also?" but it surely isn't a coincidence that the first Americans under their own sovereignty chose the eagle, the ancient symbol Romans often used, as their new national bird and generally a national symbol. Our capital city and capitol building are direct ripoffs from Greek and Roman architecture. There's a bunch of stuff basically. Cities named after famous Romans (Cincinnati, etc.).

Is it meaningful? Most of the time, not really. But it did/does have some meaning and symbols and slogans are always picked for a reason. It's certainly no accident that one martial state picked up the old symbols of another famous martial state. It's also no coincidence that Nazi Germany, Fascist Italy and the United States were/are all massive fans of Ancient Rome... for the best reasons, surely. Surely just the whole idea of a liberal democracy is the appealing part... not the constant warfare and brutal subjugation of every civilization/group they could successfully do it to.

Rome and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race.

[-] Vncredleader@hexbear.net 3 points 9 months ago

The French Revolution was the same way, they LOVED the roman republic and they used fasces a lot in their art. in fact I am pretty sure some of the US usage is more inspired by the French using it than just on its own. Cuba still uses their coat of arms with the Phrygian cap atop a fasces

[-] SteamedHamberder@hexbear.net 9 points 9 months ago

They were on the back of the Liberty dime in the early 20th century

[-] RyanGosling@hexbear.net 9 points 9 months ago
[-] EllenKelly@hexbear.net 7 points 9 months ago

not sure hey, looks reminiscent of the flag pole on Parliament House in Australia, which was designed by some Italian guy... that photo is from generation liberty, so its probably fine.

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