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[-] Showroom7561@lemmy.ca 66 points 8 months ago

Stapleton said she now relies more on filtered water at her home in New Jersey.

But study co-author Beizhan Yan, a Columbia environmental chemist who increased his tap water usage, pointed out that filters themselves can be a problem by introducing plastics.

“There’s just no win,” Stapleton said.

Oh, man.

[-] nossaquesapao@lemmy.eco.br 28 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

I've been saying this to people for a long time. Here in my country, most water filters are based on charcoal and a final filtering element. That element used to be made of cellulose and other organic materials, but in the last decade, they started coming with that element made of polypropylene, until all the cellulose ones disappeared from the market. Just imagine your water passing though a porous layer of plastic, like a rigid sponge... this is a serious microplastic source.

[-] porkins@sh.itjust.works 4 points 8 months ago

Distill water, then add minerals back into it, and bottle in glass, profit.

[-] Showroom7561@lemmy.ca 3 points 8 months ago

Probably the best way. Distillation uses a lot of electricity, doesn't it?

[-] porkins@sh.itjust.works 3 points 8 months ago

Not necessarily. It just requires excitation at a molecular level. You can get creative with your source. They have been playing around with low energy methods like LED or even just using the sun, geothermal, etc.

[-] TonyTonyChopper@mander.xyz 2 points 8 months ago

Resistive heating is 100% efficient at turning electrical energy into heat

[-] n3m37h@sh.itjust.works 0 points 8 months ago

Unless it gets coated in salt...

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[-] Showroom7561@lemmy.ca 1 points 8 months ago

Yes, I'm aware of different way to distill, but if this were to work in a home/commercial setting, it needs to be accessible/affordable.

I'd personally love to get a home distiller, but I read they were very expensive to run :(

[-] porkins@sh.itjust.works 1 points 8 months ago

I was about to write back that we are not far off the advances to make these affordable and then did a google search and found that you can get a distilled unit on Amazon for $180 that is capable of making a gallon in 5 hours for about $.45 worth of electricity. That is far less than what it costs to buy distilled water at the store, which is around $1 a gallon. If you look at this from a break-even analysis, you technically start to reap the rewards of ownership after about 800 uses since the first 400 uses basically cost you $1.45 per gallon, then the next 400 costs you $.45 per gallon, but you are recouping that extra cost over the $1 retail price, so by the 800th use, you are getting water at less than half the price of the store.

[-] Showroom7561@lemmy.ca 1 points 8 months ago

A gallon is not much though, not for a family. If you have to double or triple that amount, the electricity costs will really add up. If you're talking European electricity costs, you might as well drink expensive wine instead 😂

If cost was more in line with traditional filters, then it may be a more accessible option. But electricity costs are only going up.

[-] porkins@sh.itjust.works 1 points 8 months ago

Even with fission, nuclear is a panacea of energy with almost no waste for modern reactors. I can see there being an initial rise in energy costs to get those projects built out though. If they are phasing out nuclear, that would be dumb.

Additionally, researchers at MIT recently found that you can evaporate water without heat, so that should hopefully be a thing in the near future.

[-] mouserat@discuss.tchncs.de 31 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

”The International Bottled Water Association said in a statement: “There currently is both a lack of standardised [measuring] methods and no scientific consensus on the potential health impacts of nano- and microplastic particles. Therefore, media reports about these particles in drinking water do nothing more than unnecessarily scare consumers.”

Fuck capitalism - "no don't be too cautious, just consume until we can finally prove what tiny particles accumulated in your organs can do. How bad can it be?"

[-] TonyTonyChopper@mander.xyz 5 points 8 months ago

This is the same attitude the US Food and Drug administration takes. A product can only be scrutinized if a new ingredient is proven to be harmful.

[-] variants@possumpat.io 18 points 8 months ago

I wonder how the refillable plastic 5 gallons are with plastic, we need to go back when they were made of glass

[-] Agent641@lemmy.world 5 points 8 months ago

Someone needs to invent soft glass that doesnt break so easily. Surely it cant be that hard.

[-] Bocky@lemmy.today 5 points 8 months ago

It’s not too hard, but it’s more costly, and consumers want a cheap as possible.

[-] saigot@lemmy.ca 3 points 8 months ago

Borosilicate glass fits the ticket (what pyrex is made of) but is quite expensive.

[-] The_Mike_Drop@lemmy.world 18 points 8 months ago

So plastic is made from oil, right? And oil is made from Dinosaurs. So we're just surrounded by Dinosaurs. Even micro-Dino's.

Is this their revenge?

[-] itsonlygeorge@reddthat.com 6 points 8 months ago

Oil comes from decaying organic matter, mostly trees and vegetation.

[-] JudahBenHur@lemm.ee 2 points 8 months ago

shhh he likes to think gasoline is a triceratops

[-] itsonlygeorge@reddthat.com 1 points 8 months ago

I prefer T-Ret brand oil myself.

[-] Spitfire@pawb.social 15 points 8 months ago

Oh boy I sure do love plastic with my water.

Realistically though, is there any way to really filter out these?

[-] Artemis@lemmy.ml 7 points 8 months ago

Sawyer tap filters remove 100% of microplastics (which I'm really hoping is legit!). They fit right on your tap and other than looking a bit funny work great. Just replaced my Brita filter with one a few weeks ago.

[-] SkybreakerEngineer@lemmy.world 25 points 8 months ago

Quoting as 100% effective is a good indicator of bullshit in any scenario

[-] Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works 7 points 8 months ago

Well also that tap water filters are usually a giant plastic contaminant themselves.

[-] averyminya@beehaw.org 1 points 8 months ago

What makes its limitation 500 gallons "per day"?

[-] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 7 points 8 months ago

Plastic-digesting microbes.

[-] devious@lemmy.world 8 points 8 months ago

I am a plastic digesting mega organism apparently!

[-] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 10 points 8 months ago

You're not digesting it; it's slowly disrupting all your systems.

[-] jagungal@lemmy.world 15 points 8 months ago

I've seen a lot of reporting on finding microplastics in new places and new quantities, but is there reliable evidence that it actually does damage? Genuinely asking, can someone please send me the papers?

[-] TammyTobacco@lemmy.ml 16 points 8 months ago

I think it's still a bit early for us to know how it's affecting us. It's the kind of data that takes a lifetime of micro plastics to see how it will kill us. But knowing how much cancer various plastics already give us, it's safe to assume this is a bad thing.

[-] WhatAmLemmy@lemmy.world 16 points 8 months ago

This isn't like smoking or drinking. There isn't any control group. We have no population to compare a lifetime of microplastic exposure against. It isn't like lead, either. Plastics pollution to date guarantees a continuous supply of microplastics for decades/centuries.

[-] NotSoCoolWhip@lemmy.world 1 points 8 months ago

You're right, I assume that even at the very best, an uncontacted tribe would still be contaminated to some extent

[-] BeMoreCareful@lemmy.world 6 points 8 months ago

Does this include like nalgenes and camelbacks and things of that nature?

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[-] n3m37h@sh.itjust.works 4 points 8 months ago

Are they just guessing? Measurements are pretty definative

[-] Etterra@lemmy.world 3 points 8 months ago

Well I mean how awesome am I going to get plastic in my system? It's not like that stuff just grows on trees.

[-] FriendBesto@lemmy.ml 1 points 8 months ago

Thank god I stopped using plastic bottles and blottled water over a decade ago.

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