They really thought it was going to be another Afghanistan -which they ultimately lost-, or Iraq -also effectively lost despite the successful government change-.

[–] narr1@lemmy.ml 13 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

I don't think the US has won a war since WWII? Korea is technically still a stalemate, they achieved no objectives in Vietnam, and been basically eating differing amounts of shit in West Asia since 1990.

[–] gary_host_laptop@lemmy.ml 13 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

they didn't win wwi, the soviets did.

[–] narr1@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 weeks ago

well yeah, obviously. rip my silly joke, it's being shat on by reality

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[–] EmmiLime@lemmy.ml 11 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

if the west weren't actively trying to sabotage the Soviets, making deals with Nazi Germany and hoping they'd take care of the USSR then things would have gone much better.

Also the aid was fuck all and came extremely late. The Soviets managed to beat Nazi Germany because they rabidly developed their entire industries. They put the most work and lost 27~ million people as a result, but they were the ones to beat the Nazis. Would have gone much better, but you know. The west were allied with the fascists until they were shocked that Nazis would attack white people too.

Shame the west then decided to rescue a lot of high ranking Nazi officials and had them be the founding leaders of NATO and EU. Who decided to enact a "cold war" despite the fact that after such a devastating war, the Soviets had NO reason to ever be aggressive, unlike the west, who could never forgive the USSR for liberating Europe from the Nazis.

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[–] EmmiLime@lemmy.ml 12 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

Funny you forgot how the entire west allied with the Nazis and made deals with them long before the USSR ever even did. Funny how the land the Soviets "took over" from Poland was originally part of Czechoslovakia/Lithuania/Ukraine

Funny how the USSR tried to make a pact with Western countries to try and stop the Nazis long before WW2 even started. How Winston Churchill sympathized with Hitler and loved his book; Mein Kampf.

More information how much the west allied with the Nazis, to the point of rescuing a bunch of them to have high-ranking positions and cushy lifestyle : https://lemmy.ml/comment/28138093

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[–] EmmiLime@lemmy.ml 7 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

lmfao I did not ignore it. Do you even know why they made the deal? What the soviets were doing?

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[–] EmmiLime@lemmy.ml 6 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

Did you even notice that your rebuttal to a comment saying that the US “won the war” (they didn’t, group effort)

Group effort after actively allying with Nazis and sabotaging the USSR?

then responded to me for pointing out how they didn’t by going on about how “the West” supported the Nazis (a thing the USSR also did)

Again, the Soviets did not support the Nazis. They also executed a fuckton of high-ranking Nazis after the war, which Winston Churchill was vehemently opposed to.

Edit since you linked Operation Paperclip: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Osoaviakhim?wprov=sfla1

lol getting germans and low-ranking nazis to extract their work as reparations is not even remotely on the same level as to what Amerika did. They were also under constant surveillance.

They also did not give the Nazis a cushy life and fame like the Amerikans did.

[–] gary_host_laptop@lemmy.ml 6 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

nazi piece of shit.

[–] narr1@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 weeks ago

jesus christ, this fucking removed again

[–] Phantom_Feline17@lemmy.zip 9 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Tbf they did win the 1990 gulf war. Saddam was defeated and Kuwait liberated by coalition forces.

[–] narr1@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 weeks ago

Yes, Kuwait was indeed liberated during the operations (Desert Storm), but for Saddam to fall it took another 10 years and another war (War on Terror). So half a win I guess?

[–] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmy.ml 8 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Both Iraqs and Libya were victories, they did reached their true objectives that is to maintain petrodollar and their position in MENA.

[–] narr1@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 weeks ago

damn truth standing in the way of my shitting on the states

[–] Collatz_problem@hexbear.net 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Grenada?

[–] narr1@lemmy.ml 6 points 2 weeks ago

well, yes, obviously one runs into the problem of what constitutes a US war? Is a single military invasion and possible occupation a war? i just wanna shit on the US Paper Tiger Forces )':

[–] rumimevlevi@sh.itjust.works 8 points 2 weeks ago

They though it going to be like Venezuela. Being like Afghanistan would be to have another forever war