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[–] eicker@lemmy.world 131 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Meta asking users to hand over bank accounts, email archives and passwords while its own engineers reportedly call a massive breach »inevitable« is quite the sales pitch. At this point, Muse isn’t a personal assistant: it’s a beautifully branded single point of failure with Zuckerberg’s logo on it.

[–] adarza@lemmy.ca 64 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

People just submitted it.
I don't know why.
They "trust me"
Dumb fucks. -mz

[–] oce@jlai.lu 13 points 2 weeks ago

It's one more data harvesting tool on their belt.

[–] vext01@feddit.uk 79 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

The idea of giving an AI model access to my email or bank account makes my head spin.

[–] panda_abyss@lemmy.ca 28 points 2 weeks ago

The good news is you don’t have to think about it or hand it over. The AI asks for full disk access and then pulls it all on its own. I hope you don’t have anything private in your machine.

[–] im_fine_sandy@nord.pub 14 points 2 weeks ago

Some people consider large companies to be inside their circle of trust.

As in "Google is going to protect my privacy by keeping my emails secure"

[–] Malica@lemmy.zip 5 points 2 weeks ago

Giving it any agency at all is maddening to me

[–] frunch@lemmy.world 53 points 2 weeks ago (5 children)

I've struggled to understand the value of this product. I know everyone has to do stuff they don't exactly enjoy doing but how is putting this thing in charge supposed to make life that much easier? One small excerpt that indicates possible uses:

To allow it to perform tasks that require a computer, like booking flights or shopping for groceries

I'm not risking a problem with a flight of all things due to laziness leading me to put a bot in charge. Ridiculous. Grocery shopping? How much time is putting that thing in charge going to save me? If i ordered grocery store delivery all it's going to do is take my shopping list and hopefully relay that info to the grocery stores site and schedule delivery and pay for it with my bank account. How much time is it saving me by automating it? A min or 2? I'm ok with ordering my groceries myself, most of the info will already be sitting there on my shopping list... going the "last mile" of ordering the stuff (as the bot could do) would be helpful i guess, but not revolutionary and ultimately something else i would simply rather handle myself. Why risk a problem just to potentially save a min or 2? And for what cost, at that?

The people that need a personal assistant can pony up the $ to pay one. I don't see this being an effective stand-in for one, but maybe I'm wrong. To me, this is perhaps the most egregious example of a "solution in search of a problem" because I'm still not having that moment of clarity where it's like "Ooooooh, that's why there's so much hype surrounding this tech"

[–] schipelblorp@sh.itjust.works 19 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

And then one day you'll get an update to the terms of service which will include,

Muse reserves the right to alter your shopping preferences to items which are more expensive but lead to a greater kickback to Meta.

And you'll click accept without reading it.

[–] myyass@lemmy.world 6 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Hahahahahah. Shopping? For what? A filled up gas tank? Bills? Rent? Whatever's on sale at the closest grocery store? Whatever's on clearance?

I get what you're saying, I'm just taking a piss. This just looks like scraping the barrel at this point.

[–] schipelblorp@sh.itjust.works 7 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (2 children)

Yeah, I need an AI to apply for benefits and to find me a job.

[–] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago

Please don't, people try to submit benefit applications done with ChatGPT all the time and when they're not completely hallucinated forms it utterly fucks them over by making up details that sound good and submitting them, and inadvertently committing felony perjury on their behalf in the process.

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[–] im_fine_sandy@nord.pub 18 points 2 weeks ago

Like most AI solutions they can only autoate the gutter level obvious components of tasks.

Its not possible or to write a shoppig list for me because I havent decided what I want to eat yet.

[–] jj4211@lemmy.world 9 points 2 weeks ago

Yeah, booking a flight is only difficult because I make it difficult by deciding about how I feel about cost versus layovers versus time of departure/arrival.

For grocery shopping, I'm very specific in what I want, and it's easiest just to pick them specifically. For a lot, I'd rather just go in person to the store to look over things. In fact, whenever I spend money I'm pretty specific in what I want and I don't want something to "improve" things by letting me be more vague.

As a point of comparison, fast food ordering. Apps and Kiosks were actually a step up for me, because it was easier and quicker for me to see what the options are and select precisely what I want. AI order taking would be a huge step backwards from there. Even when ordering from waitstaff at a restauraunt, I always like to have my finger clearly pointing to the menu for what I want to order.

[–] Blisterexe@lemmy.zip 3 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

Enormous effort has already been put into the "ideal path" of every website, it's frankly almost unbelievably easy to buy things on most websites.

I can, however, imagine AI might be useful for defying the intended use of platforms, since that apparently requires tedious reverse engineering now 🙄

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[–] OpenHammer6677@lemmy.world 33 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (3 children)

People working at Meta will end up leaking those info. Muse is just the tool.

Saying AI is gonna do this bad thing etc is just offloading liability

This kind of language is frustrating and should be changed because it is people who make these things and they should be held responsible.

[–] FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 8 points 2 weeks ago

People working at Meta will end up leaking those info. Muse is just the tool.

B--B--Bingo.

I hate how these stories set us up to blame the product and not the shitty vibe coders.

[–] schipelblorp@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 weeks ago

Liability should always fall back to the whoever is running the bot.

That said, a public-facing AI with access to internal data is itself a security risk. People bully and cajole AI's into disclosing private information and sometimes it is laughably easy to do so.

[–] EvilHankVenture@lemmy.world 4 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

I agree with this in spirit, but we use this language for inanimate objects that lack agency all the time. If I built a car and let it roll down a hill with no one in it and it hit a person, we would say "the car ran a person over". This does not imply agency on the car's part, and it does not imply that I am not responsible.

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[–] melfie@lemmy.zip 33 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

People are sharing bank accounts and other sensitive data with Meta? Have these people been living under a rock or what?

[–] PrettyFlyForAFatGuy@feddit.uk 21 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Whatsapp business data

marketplace data "Send me the money at xxxxxxxx xx-xx-xx"

instagram influencer pages

it's absurd how much data meta have access to

[–] Baguette@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 points 2 weeks ago

Could be business side like paying for ads. I think facebook also has built in payment for marketplace which probably takes some fee

[–] Living_Dead@lemmy.ca 7 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

Might be moee like my workplace where the management has decided it's ok to feed all our files and their emails to AI because it can produce something that looks like work from them.

No thought to what it could do with that information.

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[–] SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org 27 points 2 weeks ago (5 children)

Alright, good luck with all that suckers. Call me a Luddite all you want, I will have no part of this

[–] inclementimmigrant@lemmy.world 12 points 2 weeks ago

I mean unless you only have cash and only spend cash, don't have a bank account, don't have a loan, don't connect to anything, etc., you're going to be a part of this regardless.

Just because you don't use AI, your institutions you use certainly are and they're all sharing the same needle.

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[–] wuffah@lemmy.world 24 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Imagine if the guys at the manhattan project were like “there is just NO WAY we’re gonna keep one of these from going off accidentally at some point, it’s INEVITABLE! In fact, ALL of them might go off at once and DESTROY THE WORLD!”

They probably still would have invented it anyways, but just imagine!

[–] im_fine_sandy@nord.pub 9 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I think they were pretty sure that's what was going to happen, but they had to invent the bomb before anyone else in order to have a deterrent.

[–] NekoKoneko@lemmy.world 7 points 2 weeks ago

This is actually the answer. Zuck, Musk, Pichai, Nadella, Altman, and Amodei all likely understand that AI is not inevitably going to fulfill what they're promising, but they can't risk not being in control of a system that could be a single endpoint for nearly all wealth acquisition in the future.

This is all just billionaire FOMO playing out at that scale.

[–] Mastengwe@sh.itjust.works 24 points 2 weeks ago (6 children)

If you still have a Facebook account, you fully support this clown show.

[–] isVeryLoud@lemmy.ca 17 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (14 children)

I was forced to create a Facebook account to buy/sell second hand stuff. No one browses Kijiji, shit just stays there for ages until someone lowballs you 3 months later. Same for LesPACs.

On Marketplace, my stuff was gone within 2 days.

Fucking sucks. I really hate Meta. I held out for as long as I could, but if you want to buy / sell second hand goods, the competition is 100% dead, at least in Montreal.

[–] schipelblorp@sh.itjust.works 16 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (6 children)

I got dogpiled for saying it, but Marketplace is remarkably unenshittified. It's bare bones internet from 2010. The worst thing about it is including ads, or annoyingly pushing you to mail items (where they can take a cut), but compared to the main social feed, it's much more focused on what you actually want.

That's why everyone uses it. If it were actually enshittified, there's plenty of competitors out there.

I tried one the other day, but it required a photo ID to sell, so I said naw to that.

[–] ayyy@sh.itjust.works 8 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Calling marketplace, which requires a login and a scan of your face and probably a blood sample these days, barebones is hilarious. Have you never used Craigslist? It accomplishes the exact same thing and is actually barebones.

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I am an old fart and still find pretty solid deals on craigslist.

[–] kestrel7_7@lemmy.world 4 points 2 weeks ago

I get dogpiled for saying it, but craigslist was and is fine, and there’s no reason to move off of it

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[–] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 3 points 2 weeks ago

Yep, that's all I use it for. I used to run ads on both Craigslist and FB, but NOBODY looks at Craigslist anymore.

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[–] Euphoma@lemmy.ml 10 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I need to send my id to facebook to unlock my account to login if i want to delete it

[–] solarspark@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 weeks ago

Typical behavior by this company and I expect worse. If it makes you sleep better at night, they probably don't actually delete accounts when requested. They have ghost profiles, after all.

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[–] uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone 21 points 2 weeks ago

I've been wondering this very question since the release of Muse. LLMs can't keep information hazard secrets. How can we expect them to keep private information from personal accounts separate?

I assumed they released a product the way Tesla released Autopilot, seeing liability suits as a cost of doing business.

[–] DupaCycki@lemmy.world 14 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Why does it look like a Fall Guys character

[–] phonics@lemmy.world 19 points 2 weeks ago

Because he gon fall

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[–] MehBlah@lemmy.world 13 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

All these things I take as a admission of guilt. They know they are going to break the law but its okay we told you about it before hand.

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[–] Raiderkev@lemmy.world 13 points 2 weeks ago

I've made it a point to give them very little of my data over the years. I recently applied for a job there because I have a friend that works there. Now they know fucking everything about me. I would not put it past them to be keeping data collected from applicant résumés somewhere as well.

[–] SabinStargem@lemmy.today 11 points 2 weeks ago

I think Grok is the most likely AI to leak American info, courtesy of Big Balls.

[–] 4grams@awful.systems 8 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Who the fuck thinks it’s a good idea to give zuck access to their bank accounts? Mass delusion we live with.. I’m just gobsmacked..

[–] GnuLinuxDude@lemmy.ml 8 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Depraved idiots offer it and gullible idiots accept it.

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[–] beep@piefed.world 8 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)
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[–] Jaysyn@lemmy.world 7 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

This is why Meta's entire network is blocked at the edge of mine.

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[–] gwl@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)
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