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[-] theshatterstone54@feddit.uk 108 points 1 year ago

I firmly believe this will be the year of the Wayland Desktop. Everything is shaping up to finishing off the transition for regular people and further stabilisation of the Wayland desktop space.

[-] misophist@lemmy.world 31 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

This won't be the year of the Wayland desktop for me unless I can afford to replace my Nvidia card this year. I'll never buy one again, but I've still gotta suffer with the one I have a bit longer.

[-] theshatterstone54@feddit.uk 14 points 1 year ago

I'd suggest you check out NVK.

NVK is looking to be a viable replacement for general desktop computing in a few months, so long as you don't need NVENC and any of the other stuff.

[-] patatahooligan@lemmy.world 4 points 11 months ago

By the time you're ready to buy a new card, Nvidia might be working well under wayland. They've already made significant changes in the past couple of years, like implementing GBM and hardware accelerated XWayland. To my understanding, this MR will also fix some remaining issues in the future. I don't know how much more work needs to be done after that, but just the fact they are cooperating with the free software ecosystem is a good sign.

Perhaps more importantly, the free nouveau driver can now experimentally reclock nvidia gpus from the 2000 series and newer. With this breakthrough it is possible that nouveau + nvk will be able to compete with the proprietary driver in the near future. If/when we have a well-supported free driver, we will probably have proper wayland support as well.

I'm not really in a hurry to switch to Nvidia. I've been quite happy with my AMD cards so far. But it's definitely a good thing to have the option to buy from any vendor.

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[-] amju_wolf@pawb.social 24 points 1 year ago

As someone using Wayland on a HiDPI screen it's not a great experience with legacy apps. You can't completely rely on application-controlled scaling since not all apps support it and if you switch to system-wide scaling everything looks like crap.

[-] const_void@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Which apps? I've discovered recently Electron apps can enable Wayland support with a command line argument.

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[-] Bogasse@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 year ago

But isn't that still on par with xorg where you can't have any fractional scaling?

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[-] exu@feditown.com 2 points 1 year ago

*every application using xWayland looks like crap.

Native Wayland apps work great with fractional scaling.

[-] TornadoRex@sh.itjust.works 13 points 1 year ago

As someone who dabbles in Linux but is ultimately a regular people, what’s the advantage of this?

[-] theshatterstone54@feddit.uk 27 points 1 year ago

A unified, bug-free, performant and featureful display stack to ensure people can use things like Variable refresh rate, which, iirc, is an impossibility on X11.

[-] TornadoRex@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 year ago

That’s pretty awesome. I imagine this would be a huge advantage with the growth of Linux gaming too

[-] Bogasse@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 year ago

I suppose the Steam Deck experience would be a bit worse if it wasn't running on Wayland 👍

[-] visor841@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

The games on Steam Deck are already running in Wayland using gamescope IIRC

[-] theshatterstone54@feddit.uk 4 points 1 year ago

Yeah, it could be and it will be

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[-] mlg@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago

This is what wayland said every year lol.

[-] olafurp@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago

KDE 6 will have Wayland by default, on track to release Feb 2024.

[-] azvasKvklenko@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 year ago

nobody would say that one year ago far as my memory goes, and it’s reasonable thing to say now. Personally I expected some break-throughs that have happened in 2023 to take much longer.

[-] LeFantome@programming.dev 3 points 1 year ago

Source?

We have been hearing about “The Year of the Linux Desktop” for 20 years I think and Linux has less than 5% share.

In contrast, I do not remember hearing “The Year of the Wayland Desktop” until recently. I have been hearing “Wayland is the future” forever but it has been correct the whole time.

By the time we enter 2025, I am not sure there will be a major desktop environment that does not support Wayland and many distros and DEs will be Wayland by default or even Wayland only. That is already happening. Valve may have ditched X by then and it feels like that is where most new Linux users are going to come from. It seems quite unlikely that Wayland market share on the Linux Desktop will be less than 75%.

I am not saying this is “The Year of the Wayland Desktop” but I would feel foolish publicly betting against it.

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[-] savvywolf@pawb.social 50 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

No no, this year for real! Because (highly technical reason that doesn't affect most users).

For real though, how Microsoft plays this year could be interesting considering the lukewarm reception to Win11 and the impending ewaste pile of Win10.

[-] Cwilliams@beehaw.org 13 points 1 year ago

Especially if Win12 is cloud-based, like the rumors say, I could see a potential influx of Linux users

[-] LeFantome@programming.dev 11 points 1 year ago

Not sure this is the year but my “highly technical reason” is that enough gamers switch.

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[-] people_are_cute@lemmy.sdf.org 5 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Microsoft plays just like it has always played - with OEM contracts and being the default OS choice. Linux remains niche as long as Microsoft has this, unless they decide to roll out a mainstream distro themselves.

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[-] mvirts@lemmy.world 39 points 1 year ago

The Linux desktop is forever, one year cannot contain it.

[-] GustavoM@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

Indeed! I'm not planning to go back to Winblows unless I'm being paid for it.

[-] 0xtero@beehaw.org 22 points 1 year ago

Maybe we'll climb to 4% marketshare!

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[-] pepperonisalami@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago

This is for real the Linux desktop year for me, went through the switch just before the new year. Had to reinstall a couple times but no big deal, and I get to learn as well.

Not sure if out-of-the-box distros are now that user friendly yet or not, but I remember getting Ubuntu running several years ago was frustrating (no sound, bad sound quality etc) and now running EOS was pretty smooth. Pretty sure something like Mint will be user friendly enough for the general population.

[-] wolf@lemmy.zip 13 points 11 months ago

It will be a pleasure, like every other year of the Linux Desktop(TM) for more than 20 years now! :-)

[-] drwankingstein@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 1 year ago

Year of the chromeOS desktop maybe, may faith is low

[-] tsonfeir@lemm.ee 4 points 1 year ago

People still use ChromeOS? I just slap Linux on my chromebooks. Cheap new hardware.

[-] BobGnarley@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago

Which distros do you like best on them?

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[-] LeFantome@programming.dev 2 points 1 year ago

I have seen stats that both Linux and ChromeOS have around 3.5% market share.

If ChromeOS continues to converge with proper desktop Linux, I consider it a distro which makes 10%+ possible this year.

The wild card for me is Linux gaming. It may not grow fast but it totally could.

Which had me wondering for the first time I hearing about “The Year of the Linux Desktop”, what percentage do we have to hit for this to be the year?

I don’t really expect us to hit it but, for the first time, I feel like it is possible.

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[-] onlinepersona@programming.dev 5 points 1 year ago

Here's to another year of the Linux Desktop! (been ~15 years for me) 🎉

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[-] curator93@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago

What is the purpose of these copyright lines on comments?

[-] onlinepersona@programming.dev 4 points 1 year ago

Think AI training. I might write a blurb somewhere that I can link to someday, but that's the gist of it.

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[-] curator93@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Do you have any evidence that writing that line actually works to keep AI from using your comment? If some of the biggest authors alive can’t keep their words out of the algorithm, I’m not convinced that a Lemmy comment stands a chance.

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[-] sparr@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

I just did an OS reinstall for the first time in about 4 years. Moving from Manjaro back to Arch. Happy New Year!

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