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[a study paper is shown, with some of the text legible]
STUDY RESULTS
GIVING POOR PEOPLE MONEY REDUCES CRIME MORE THAN GIVING COPS THAT SAME AMOUNT OF MONEY
CONCLUSION
If you want to reduce crime, take care of your community's primary needs instead of funding cops so much

[an orange character in a suit has stamped a paper labeled MORE POLICE FUNDING BILL, and is grinning]
Heh, you think we don't know?

https://thebad.website/comic/scientific_policing

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[–] danc4498@lemmy.world 134 points 3 weeks ago (10 children)

Republicans are often seen to be better on crime. Not because crime goes down under republicans, but because they talk about cops and punishment more.

Easy sell: stop crime by going after criminals.

Harder sell: stop crime by preventing the things that make people criminals.

[–] jtrek@startrek.website 61 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

People are pretty stupid and uncritically believe the myths about the republican party. Guy I worked with said "the republicans will unlock the economy" so he voted for trump. And then tariffs borked his business, and the war in iran probably killed some of his family. But he still jokes, as an iranian immigrant, about ICE abductions. Some people are just stupid.

[–] danc4498@lemmy.world 24 points 3 weeks ago

Some people are stupid, but most I think are selfish and narrow minded, but also not stupid.

[–] orca@orcas.enjoying.yachts 11 points 3 weeks ago

I met a Persian that hates other Persians and loves Israel. People are indeed stupid as fuck.

[–] Enkrod@feddit.org 5 points 3 weeks ago

Yes, the propaganda is strong. Republicans have been objectively, scientifically proven bad for the economy, for blue collar workers, for crime, for reducing abortions, for religious freedom and for small government in the last... at least 5 decades.

But people believe that those are exactly the issues Republicans would address better than democrats.

[–] HazardousBanjo@lemmy.world 29 points 3 weeks ago

That's exactly it.

The GOP cornered the moronic "Law & Order" narrative because they're fascists who want a police state.

Establishment Dems also want a police state but know their voterbase doesn't. So they try to sell a police state, under different words, and still refuse to talk about any actually meaningful alternatives. Its why cunts like Hakeem Jefferies refuse to fight to abolish ICE even though abolishing ICE polls better than "reforming" it.

Only DSA candidates are pushing real solutions. That's why establishment Dems are fighting them harder in 1 year than they've fought Trump in 10 years.

[–] ChristerMLB@piefed.social 22 points 3 weeks ago

Same with conservatives in Europe – and it's also the same with government efficiency. They get "issue ownership" because they talk about it a lot, but I've never heard of conservative politicians who've actually made government more efficient.

[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 16 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

It's a harder sell, but it's impacted by media straight up not talking about policy that way. Investigative journalism in America (and probably the broader West) is essentially dead, so the public becomes wildly uninformed and has to go off vibes.

[–] danc4498@lemmy.world 12 points 3 weeks ago

Definitely true. I think it’s a big part because of who owns the media.

[–] QueenHawlSera@piefed.social 14 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Americans are not a mature people. They find it scarier to be without a gun than to be without a doctor.

Their mentality on crime is that they wanna punish bad guys. They don't care about justice, they just wanna "fight bad guys" like in an action movie. We can see this in how they obsess over Lindsay Clancy. They don't care that she has psychosis and would be better served in a mental institution, they saw that she did something bad and they wanna see her punished.

The reasons for her actions are not important, the fact that there's a better solution is not important, the fact that Not Guilty By Reason Of Insanity doesn't mean she gets to go home is not important.

She's a bad guy, and bad guys get punished.

Americans favor punishment over rehabilitation not because rehabilitation doesn't work (Other countries that focus on it show that it definitely does), but because they are immature and care more about "Fighting bad guys" than actual justice.

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[–] Sanctus@anarchist.nexus 4 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

I will be the greatest president. Using my superior prescient abilities I will stop the events that produce criminals to begin with. The entire country will be crime free at the end of my term. With the strength of a tactician's mind America will be the greatest country in the world

mouth breathers cheering as the end of Shall Never Surrender from DMC4 plays over loudspeskers

Everyone is 12 in America dude just sound like a confident supervillain and your are good.

[–] nanometer1625@thelemmy.club 3 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

This definitely used to be true, but now that they're okay with the leader of their party using the FBI to cover up his own child sex abuse scandal, any Republican who asserts that they're tough on crime is going to lose that debate.

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[–] cRazi_man@europe.pub 54 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

You mistakenly think that the purpose is to reduce crime and improve people's lives.

People in power (and unfortunately most people not in power also) think that there is a "fair" order to things. Those deserving will be successful, and the undeserving will not (and should not and must not) get anything. The strength of the power of the police+law is to protect the deserving from the undeserving. Not to make a fair or just or happy society. There are many who would happily lobby to refuse all emergency services, rights, legal protections, healthcare, etc to those who are "undeserving".

[–] jtrek@startrek.website 28 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

That's the heart of conservatism: hierarchy

There are many who would happily lobby to refuse all emergency services, rights, legal protections, healthcare, etc to those who are β€œundeserving”.

I go on about this a lot, but the book "Dying of Whiteness" has examples of that. One guy literally was dying but still didn't want those people to have free health care, even if it would save his life.

[–] frisbird@lemmy.ml 11 points 3 weeks ago (13 children)

You say that as though Liberalism didn't immediately start with hierarchy. Liberalism literally said that power should be in the hands of the wealthy, not the hands of the hereditary aristocracy. Liberalism emerged precisely because merchants got super wealthy and then found that no matter how much money they had, the king decided if they got land. So Liberalism emerged as something to replace the hierarchy of the nobility with, specifically the hierarchy of wealth. All the "universal" equality shit of liberalism was invented to get the poor peasantry to agree. There was never a single day of liberalism anywhere on planet earth that saw an absence of hierarchy.

[–] schipelblorp@sh.itjust.works 7 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I think you were schooling me a few weeks ago on this subject, and I never responded. If that was you, thank you for your infomative response.

[–] frisbird@lemmy.ml 5 points 3 weeks ago

Possibly, I often try to bring the history of Liberalism and Conservatism into view when people clearly just mean "good" and "evil" but borrow terms from political philosophy without examining them.

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[–] yucandu@lemmy.world 9 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

If you're born into money, you have two options:

Either you believe you don't truly deserve all this money, and you live with the existential angst and dread this causes you until you slowly kill yourself through drugs and alcohol, or you give it all away and live as a poor nomad.

OR you believe you truly deserve all that money. And since you know you didn't actually DO anything to get it, it must be because you were BORN better than everyone else. Genetically superior.

Which do you think most people choose?

[–] schipelblorp@sh.itjust.works 6 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

And if you're not born into money it's:

  1. You can be rich if you just apply yourself.

or

  1. You are trapped in a system that will keep you in poverty your entire life no matter what you do.

Which message would you choose?

Edit. And if you grew up rich and wanted to protect the system that put you in charge of a media company, which message would you choose to propagate?

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[–] LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net 6 points 3 weeks ago

Voters think that though. Waking them up from the illusion may help.

Plus, honestly, most people drink their own kool aid so I wouldn't be surprised if our leaders did believe this despite all evidence. The desire to think of yourself as a good person can overpower most evidence.

[–] Maroon@lemmy.world 34 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

They're trying to build a prison,

They're trying to build a prison,

They're trying to build a prison,

FOR YOU AND ME TO LIVE IN

Another Prison System,

Another Prison System,

Another Prison System

[–] Harvey656@lemmy.world 12 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Minor drug offenders fill your prisons, you don't even flinch

All our taxes paying for your wars against the new non-rich

[–] QueenHawlSera@piefed.social 22 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] FistingEnthusiast@lemmy.world 7 points 3 weeks ago (8 children)

And it's profitable in 'Murica

Private prisons should not exist

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[–] StumblingWasabi@lemmy.today 17 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 23 points 3 weeks ago

Neither did the cops.

[–] tomatolung@sopuli.xyz 12 points 3 weeks ago

Also worth remembering that Crime in the US is at a near low overall. Violent crime is at a historic low, while non-violent crime is also low with the exception of retail theft. https://www.fbi.gov/news/stories/violent-crime-falls-at-historic-rate-new-fbi-data-show

So less money for Police, more for Mental health professionals, as that is a huge percentage of their callouts. But why would politicians want to keep people off the streets by a universal income, and gainfully employed and healthy... oh wait bureaucratic inertia and campaign finance corruption... 🀦

[–] Arcanepotato@crazypeople.online 12 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Two separate thoughts:

I think people interested in policing should read:

  • Angela Davis: Are Prisons Obsolete ( pdf | audiobook )

  • the prison industrial complex exists to protect capital not to protect people.

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[–] myyass@lemmy.world 7 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

So the point missed is that the goal is prison labor. Why pay someone to process toll booths on a computer for a few dollars a day while having the taxpayer cover their expense and pay for the prison?

[–] Sharkticon@lemmy.zip 9 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

No that's just a part of it. Another huge part is having a large militarized and brutal police force that you can use to against the people.

[–] WorldsDumbestMan@lemmy.today 3 points 3 weeks ago

They are creating an underclass. They want people to struggle, they actively create situations for you to fail, so they can have an excuse to put you in a lower position. Wealthy people very much have a zero-sum mindset. The lower you can sink, the higher they are relative to you.

But to do this, they need to justify it somehow. They create cruel "tests" to decide if you will be a serf or slave. So yes, they even make tiers between the "lesser" people.

But that is only a small part of what the powers that be do here, there's multiple layers to this.

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[–] IndustryStandard@lemmy.world 5 points 3 weeks ago

Thanks Mamdani

[–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 5 points 3 weeks ago

GOP/DNC both support the status quo that police unions(not true unions0 should be funded, it keeps thier interests in line.

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