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[–] bigboopballs@hexbear.net 41 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

hE wAs FrEe To qUiT tHe OnLy JoB iN hIs ToWn (and therefore go hungry) At aNy TiMe smuglord

[–] Hohsia@hexbear.net 28 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Liberals learn what coercion is challenge

[–] BeamBrain@hexbear.net 25 points 10 months ago (1 children)

According to libs, it's only coercion if the state makes it illegal. Anything else is "the consequences of your decision and therefore your fault." I have been unironically told this by more than one.

[–] axont@hexbear.net 6 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I got told by a liberal once that coercion doesn't exist unless someone physically manipulates your hands and feet like a puppet. Even someone pointing a gun at you isn't coercion because you can apparently just choose to die. I don't know where these people come from.

[–] TreadOnMe@hexbear.net 2 points 10 months ago

They are referring to Sartre's belief in the concept of 'radical freedom'. Sartre, whom would infamously with his partner, sleep with his college age female students and then abandon them when he got bored with them. Look, as much fun as we make of the old 'power dynamics' conversation, there are areas where than absolutely comes into play.

[–] BelieveRevolt@hexbear.net 26 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Your missing the point. It was not slavery, just simple child labour

OK, it's fine then.

[–] 420blazeit69@hexbear.net 8 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

A description you can't argue with -- that's still horrible! -- is the way to go here. "Child labor in a mine" is just that. No normal person will defend it.

You lose people when you get six hypotbeticals deep into a philosophical question about the definition of slavery, as you see in that thread. It doesn't matter if you have a point if people write you off when you say it. Step Zero is getting people to consider what you have to say; rhetoric and communication strategies actually matter.

[–] Rom@hexbear.net 19 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

Cause it ain't slavery he wasn't another person's property, was he exploited under capitalism sure but there's a big difference between being a paid laborer and a literal slave

Is there really though? Can you honestly call wage labor a choice when the only alternative is starving to death on the streets?

[–] Collatz_problem@hexbear.net 8 points 10 months ago

The wage labour is just renting a slave instead of buying.

[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 11 points 10 months ago (1 children)

If I didn't currently have a ban I'd ask this person whether they think a child can consent.

[–] badbadcomrade@hexbear.net 4 points 10 months ago

And their response?:

libertarian-approaching