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cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/51634640

A new Gamers Nexus investigation found a retail LG TV actively scanning the local network for phones, laptops, smartwatches and other connected devices, while also capturing microphone audio when the screen appeared to be in standby. The investigation found voice data being stored locally even after the TV was disconnected from the network, with the queued data uploaded once connectivity returned. Researchers also uncovered webOS vulnerabilities that could potentially turn the television into a remotely controlled surveillance device. The really unsettling part isn't just the advertising angle. It's the fact that a consumer television can sit inside your trusted network, enumerate other devices, access a microphone, store collected data locally and communicate with external infrastructure. Put that same device in a corporate office, hospital, hotel or conference room and the security implications become considerably more serious. I went through the investigation in detail, including the network scanning, microphone behavior, ACR, webOS attack surface, offline data collection and practical mitigations

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[–] woelkchen@lemmy.world 151 points 4 weeks ago (9 children)

Don't connect TVs to your network.

[–] yaroto98@lemmy.world 92 points 4 weeks ago (17 children)

And according to the article the data collection runs even if it's disconnected. So, don't ever connect it to the network. As soon as you do everything gets uploaded.

[–] BurgerBaron@quokk.au 11 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

Could I burn a hole through a WiFi chip with a soldering iron?

[–] village604@adultswim.fan 9 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)
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[–] UnLocoPoco@lemmy.world 23 points 4 weeks ago (7 children)

This would've worked just a few years back but due to shitty "age verification" laws, even TV manufacturers willl force users to create an account the very least for the TV to even start up. They may also implement an always-online model and they'll justify that it's necessary to monitor users for "age verification purposes". ATP better to get a good monitor and use it as TV cuz cable or satellite boxes are either way gonna be provided by the network companies so that's there

[–] woelkchen@lemmy.world 13 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

This would’ve worked just a few years back but due to shitty “age verification” laws, even TV manufacturers willl force users to create an account the very least for the TV to even start up.

Surely only for "smart" features but without enabling any of that shit, you shouldn't get any age verification prompt.

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[–] godsammitdam@lemmy.zip 81 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

"We own the glass, we own the TV, we own the living room. We know who is in an LG home." --LG President of Ads

These are the Gamers Nexus videos these articles are referencing btw. Support them and their work. Get some cool shirts and physical media while you're at it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w5KnFmKjFTA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6IFVTcM28KA

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[–] Aqivex@fedinsfw.app 67 points 4 weeks ago (3 children)

Really makes one wonder...How many fucking data points do these assholes need telling them we're too fucking broke for their game and want their heads on pikes?

[–] Humanius@lemmy.world 9 points 4 weeks ago (4 children)

Enough that they can tell with a decent amount of certainty whose social credit score should be lowered, once that gets inevitably introduced /s

(I don't think that conspiratorially.. It's probably just data harvesting and extreme greed.)

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[–] kaitco@lemmy.world 46 points 4 weeks ago (5 children)

It’s not just LG. It’s all of them.

And, the cheaper the TV, the more often and intrusive these settings are.

It’s honestly better to just have a bare wall and a projector.

[–] woelkchen@lemmy.world 32 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

It’s honestly better to just have a bare wall and a projector.

Consumer projectors come with the same "smart" shit as TVs these days. Just don't connect either to WiFi. Problem solved.

[–] undrwater@lemmy.world 14 points 4 weeks ago (7 children)

Apparently not solved. They can connect to open (and hidden) networks without your consent.

Per the marketing chief at LG; (paraphrased, from memory) "we own the glass, and we know everything beyond the glass."

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[–] Zephorah@discuss.online 38 points 4 weeks ago (3 children)

I was at my parent’s house, trying to add some items to the smart TV. They started listening to these awful AI interpersonal dramas read by AI, on YouTube.

My thought was to add some podcasts and their Audible account, for more selections. Maybe they’ll still only listen to that, even so. You can’t add much to a smart tv. No podcasts. No podcast app. A pretty spartan selection of apps. Even something as large and mainstream as Audible. No go. Libby? Yeah, right.

I don’t get it. What’s the point? Just buy a monitor, jack it into a PC for media, and have everything you want minus this telemetry.

[–] schipelblorp@sh.itjust.works 19 points 4 weeks ago (2 children)

Just buy a monitor, jack it into a PC for media, and have everything you want minus this telemetry.

I have some bad news for you:

LG monitors installing McAfee ads on Windows

[–] UnLocoPoco@lemmy.world 7 points 4 weeks ago

Ah doesn't matter. Dont use windows. Use a pi and something like LibreELEC or even you can run debloated android on it with the TV interface and a remote. Just get a BT remote or an IR receiver plug into the usb port. Either of them are pretty cheap

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[–] otacon239@lemmy.world 17 points 4 weeks ago (2 children)

My TV has no Internet connection, but does connect to my gaming desktop. I agree with you. There’s no reason TVs should not just be dumb displays. I do also have the Apple TV, but it never ever shows ads and is a one-time purchase. The day it starts showing me ads is the day it meets the bin.

[–] phutatorius@lemmy.zip 21 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

There’s no reason TVs should not just be dumb displays.

At least, no reason that benefits the consumer. There are strong monetary incentives to spy on customers and sell the data that's collected.

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[–] Redvenom@retrolemmy.com 36 points 4 weeks ago

Fuck LG, this is creepy AF

[–] 0x0@lemmy.zip 22 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

It's hard to find a dumb TV.
Monitors and projectors are going the same way. Not connecting them might not be enough.

Time to learn how to use a soldering iron.

[–] Hueristic_Autistic@lemmy.world 11 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (3 children)

modern ones are soldered directly to the board and integrate bluetooth into the same chip and removing that chip form the board could remove the ability to use bluetooth functions and the remote, however!!!!!!! most have usb ports!!!!!! lets make new operating systems and fucking delete their file system, load a new os that lacks the abilities these manufactures have.

The hardware is whatever but if we remove the file systems that its preloaded with it won't be able to load any of its preinstalled shit. If we mod the operating system we can mod some of the shit the hardware is capable of doing through the software and coding. Kinda like how windows 11 is known for lowering ram speed.

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[–] Jhex@lemmy.world 17 points 4 weeks ago (9 children)

Bosch fucking dishwashers do this, once connected there is no way to disconnect them so I sink all its outgoing traffick at the router level

Complete garbage

[–] phutatorius@lemmy.zip 15 points 4 weeks ago (2 children)

Yeah, what kind of idiot wants an internet-connected dishwasher?

How about an AI-powered pair of chopsticks?

[–] Ludicrous0251@piefed.zip 12 points 4 weeks ago (3 children)

In a perfect world?

I'd love access to diagnostic data. Is the filter starting to clog? Is any part not working as intended? I'm a big fan of preventative maintenance, but also really bad at sticking to an arbitrary recurring schedule (e.g., clean the filter every 6 months). This could also be accomplished with Bluetooth and an offline-only app on the phone.

In the real world? Nobody provides this, and the privacy risks aren't worth it.

I do have my dishwasher on a ZigBee power meter to 1) track energy use and 2) give me a good-enough estimate of time remaining by starting a 2h timer after it starts.

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[–] paulcdb@lemmy.radio 15 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

I don’t care that companies thought they’d get away with this, the problem is have are the people buying this shit! This should’ve been enough to get people to just refuse to buy it but no.

And the bigger problem isn’t what we know they can do, you have to think about what it ‘could’ do.

Even if you never connect this stuff to the internet, they could still track all this stuff locally. Once that happens, which no doubt it will if not already, what happens if suddenly you get arrested for something, they confiscate the TV, download all the stuff tracked, and oops, something even more incriminating… maybe you watched an illiegal movie on jellyfin! 😲

Look at all the “People will never let it happen” that has happened pretty much unchallenged… you’ll have no privacy, and you’ll all be paying for it!

[–] dontfeedthemouse@lemmy.world 18 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

The problem is not that people are buying this willingly, it's because they don't know. If you present them two rougly similar options, but one of them is a spying machine, people will choose the other one. This stuff should not be legal in the first place.

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[–] nserrano@lemmy.zip 10 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

The majority of people do not realize how much information is being recorded and what it’s used for. If there was an easy way to track down how a telemarketer got your information, a lot more people would freak out and demand change.

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[–] 20cello@lemmy.world 11 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

Imagine when it's turned on...

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[–] DoctorWhoDMC@lemmy.world 10 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

... Well great, now I have to check whether my television has a goddamn microphone for some reason. I didn't think to check because it's a television.

Never connected it to the Wifi though.

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[–] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 9 points 3 weeks ago

There's no "might" here. It's why high-end TVs are cheap.

[–] cmnybo@discuss.tchncs.de 8 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

If you are going to have smart devices, put them on their own VLAN. They should not have access to the rest of your network. TVs shouldn't be connected at all. Use a PC or android box if you want to stream stuff.

[–] Humanius@lemmy.world 18 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago) (4 children)

The issue in this case is that they apparently use text to speech locally, store that information on the device itself, and then if at any point in the future gets connected to the internet for any meaningful length of time (be it by a subsequent owner) it will then be sent on to LG.. for safekeeping of course /s

The deep-dive by GamersNexus is pretty in depth.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6IFVTcM28KA

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[–] IsoKiero@sopuli.xyz 8 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

My LG TV is blocked from my network and always has been. However, the andriod tv connected to it is a different thing, so it's more or less lost cause anyways and I haven't had enough incentive to block the android box from the rest of network since it'd need some tweaking so that casting and other occasionally used features still work. And even if I'd block the android tv box there's still our cellphones gathering all the data, so I'm pretty much just running things on hopium that EU offers at least some protection on my data.

[–] potustheplant@feddit.nl 22 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (7 children)

Well, if you watch the Gamers Nexus video, you'll see that even if you don't connect your tv to the internet, you're still not safe.

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[–] WeLoveCastingSpellz@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)
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