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[–] CosmoNova@lemmy.world 1 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

Is there a reason all these European launch sites are so far up North? I guess it makes things more predictable but I would have assumed, Spain, Italy and Greece to be more desirable for launch sites than Norway, UK, Sweden or Canada.

[–] zaphod@sopuli.xyz 4 points 9 hours ago

They're launching into (near) polar orbits, doesn't really matter from where you launch for those and you usually want to launch over unpopulated areas.

[–] CAVOK@lemmy.world 4 points 15 hours ago
[–] Ooops@feddit.org 11 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago) (1 children)

as Europe enters satellite launch race

Sure... Europe isn't launching satellites for decades.

This isn't about satellite launching, Europe does this from Guiana Space Centre in Kourou for a very long time.

This is about it being the first successfull orbital launch from a European location (so without all that nice free speed you get when going for an equatorial orbit and starting close to the equator eastwards) by a private start-up less than 8 years old. On their second try in total (people following such things might remember the huge amount of ~~explosions~~ Rapid Unscheduled Disassemblies starting rocket projects –privat or otherwise– tend to produce in the beginning).

[–] Tar_alcaran@sh.itjust.works 0 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

people following such things might remember the huge amount of ~~explosions~~ Rapid Unscheduled Disassemblies starting rocket projects –privat or otherwise– tend to produce in the beginning

They generally don't. SpaceX is pretty much the only company blowing up rockets on the regular. Everyone else actually does testing.

[–] Ooops@feddit.org 3 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago) (1 children)

SpaceX is just worse but there were still a lot of explosions etc over the years. Ariane 5 for example used the tried and tested software of its predecessor... and failed rather spectacular mid-air when its higher accelaration paired with 16bit to 64bit conversion caused a buffer overflow.

Or to quote what I consider a modern classic nowadays: "They say Space is hard..." *sing*

[–] Tar_alcaran@sh.itjust.works 1 points 9 hours ago

Sure, but the expectations of most launches is that they work. SpaceX is the only one which repeatedly expects to fail doing the same thing.

[–] broom@piefed.social 24 points 23 hours ago

So cool and so important for Europe! πŸš€πŸ‘πŸŽ‰ πŸ‡ͺπŸ‡ΊπŸ‡©πŸ‡ͺ

[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 4 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 22 hours ago) (5 children)

Isn't it a bit weird to do that from Norway?
AFAIK it's best to be near the equator, because it's easier to reach escape velocity there.
There's a reason it's the first time, even though we've had a European space program for decades.

[–] Ooops@feddit.org 9 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago) (1 children)

It's best near the equator (and starting eastwards) if you want an equatorial orbit because then you get all the rotational energy from earth for free.

But if you want an polar orbit, so 90Β° to earth's rotation that passes over north and south pole, you are not just missing out on the free speed but the rotation perpendicular to the direction you are going actually is a problem you need to compensate for with more energy spend. But the further north (or south) to the pole you move for your start the less influence has the earth's rotation. The perfect scenario here would be a start exactly from the geographic north pole for no interference through earth's rotation.

[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 1 points 12 hours ago

Thanks, I never considered that.

This is more about having the ability to launch any payload at all from Europe. Especially so we don't have to be 100% reliant on launch sites controlled by the US or the one on other side of the Atlantic in French Guyana. If anything, the more the merrier, continental Europe should have the capability to launch from both the north and the south.

[–] Skua@kbin.earth 7 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

Launch sites away from the equator are good for some different orbits. The Molniya orbit, for example, is very useful if you're trying to observe areas at high latitudes

[–] Ooops@feddit.org 2 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago) (1 children)

...or if you are living in Russia and your location too far north makes satellites in geo-synchronous orbit sub-optimal because their angle means a much longer distance signals have to travel through that pesky stuff we breath.

[–] zaphod@sopuli.xyz 1 points 9 hours ago

The pesky stuff we breathe is the least problem for signals. At high latitudes you need to worry about things that block line of sight like curvature of the earth and buildings/trees.

A lot of sats head to polar or sun-synchronous orbits, both of which benefit from being very far north or south (less west-to-east velocity to cancel out).

Rocket Lab launches into those orbits from New Zealand all the time. The ESA goes straight north from Kourou sometimes, but that site is on the equator and so is much better suited for lower-inclination orbits.

[–] saltesc@lemmy.world 2 points 22 hours ago

Equatorial efficiently is so 1960s.

The founders of rocketry just said, "hold my beer".

[–] huppakee@lemmy.world 3 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

Wow, a space rocket? Impressive.

[–] Potato@feddit.org 3 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago) (1 children)

Blame Reuters, that was their title at time of posting.

Edit: Updated the title to reflect the title change by Reuters.

[–] huppakee@lemmy.world 2 points 8 hours ago

I was taking the piss on the person who wrote that, so Reuters indeed. Sure wasn't blaming you :).