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[–] panda_abyss@lemmy.ca 103 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (9 children)

Tim was great for the shareholders and not so much the customer.

I feel like most services got worse, hardware got worse before the M series, but post M I haven’t seen much innovation — just a lot of recycled parts for peripherals like Studio Display, which is premium price but sub premium quality (camera, panel itself, and ports/support).

Phones have massively homogenized under Cook

And software has taken a massive nose dive. As much as I try to like swift, it sucks. And it was a mistake to lose Chris Lattner, because without him Swift has had basically no focus or direction other than boosting SwiftUI.

Nobody has ever managed building production software with Swift outside of app dev, which I think says it finds a poor compromise on real performance vs ergonomics vs safety. I do not think Rust is better, I think Swift makes it too hard to do the right low level things.

AI/Siri has been embarrassing. Shipping cadence is worst in the business, there’s no reason so many updates are tied to OS updates, it’s simultaneously too rapid for trans to build robust software, and too slow to fix bugs and make QOL adjustments.

So when I look back on the last several years of Apple I kinda just see a bunch of departments duct taped together and drifting away from each other, and then the finance team driving all the decisions.

[–] fluxx@mander.xyz 30 points 5 days ago (2 children)

Having tried both Swift and Rust - you can hardly compare them. For me Rust is in a different league. Swift is a modernization and a step forward compared to ObjC, but Rust is a different paradigm altogether. Swift has IMO done a great job for Apple as a platform, but has not achieved universality and had not transcended the platform. Rust has achieved universality, but has not captured any platform in particular yet. Both have not and may never replace C/C++, though my biased opinion is rust may have a chance (at least with C++)

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[–] DementedSociety@lemmy.world 26 points 4 days ago

Fuck this guy give the gross pedo gold gifts, what an absolute piece of fucking shit.

[–] bedwyr@piefed.ca 51 points 5 days ago (5 children)

Apple is a garbage company. Better than google is not an acceptable measure, and they are only performitiely better than google anyway, they pretend to not kowtow a bit before they do. Google just deepthroats authority because they are the worst.

The only solution is here is to go open source. Tech is an existential risk to society, and already it's late to stop them. We can stop them though, together.

[–] percent@infosec.pub 22 points 5 days ago

Better than google is not an acceptable measure

I remember when that would be a pretty high bar. It's a bit of a distant memory at this point though. It's crazy how bad tech has become.

[–] I_Has_A_Hat@lemmy.world 10 points 4 days ago

I don't even think they can be called performatively better than google. Has google personally gifted Trump tacky golden shit? Feels like apple has kissed the ring a lot more.

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[–] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 61 points 5 days ago (4 children)

As an aside:

There will be some quick tells as to whether incoming new Apple CEO John Ternus is more of the same, including seeing whether or not Apple follows Google's lead and buckles to our mad king's obsession with trying to rename large bodies of water to feed his gargantuan ego.

John Apple is a spineless fuckwit and immediately capitulated

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[–] electric_nan@lemmy.ml 10 points 4 days ago

OK but what about the profits? Isn't that the only important thing?

[–] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 46 points 5 days ago (4 children)

The main thing I remember about Tim Cook was him making me realize how wealthy white cisgender gay men were hardly different from wealthy white cisgender straight men.

The whole article has always been really worth a read, seeing how a techbro tried to turn a classic magazine into a tech company somehow. Besides that though, these passages always stuck out to me, because it feels deeply like these wealthy men exploit their sexuality to justify avoiding critique of their actions outside of their sexuality.

https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/inside-collapse-new-republic

In 2014, Hughes’s personal life and business life became increasingly intertwined, in ways that would coincide with changes at the magazine. His husband, Sean Eldridge, was running for Congress in a district that spanned the Catskills and the Hudson Valley, but his political campaign was not going the way he had hoped. Eldridge and Hughes had bought a two-million-dollar home in a district in which neither of them had ever lived, and Eldridge began investing in local businesses in what was widely seen as a transparent effort to influence the race.

Ioffe dates the abrupt change in mood to late summer, shortly after Foer’s birthday party—the period when, as many current and former T.N.R. employees noted, Eldridge’s expensive campaign to win a congressional seat started looking hopeless. “We all liked him; he seemed to like us,” she told me. “Everything was going great. Then, in the summer, something snapped, and he started talking to me about money and how we’re losing money and he’s tired of it. And then he became just downright contemptuous and hostile toward us.”

Hughes’s eroding relationship with the staff took on an ideological edge. On the morning that Tim Cook, the C.E.O. of Apple, announced that he was gay, MacGillis wrote a note to “the Plank,” T.N.R.’s internal e-mail listserv for writers and editors. “I see the celebration of his announcement, while entirely justifiable, as another sign of what’s happened to liberalism today, where rights/identity liberalism trumps economic liberalism,” he wrote. “This is, after all, a guy who embodies so much of what’s amiss in the age of inequality—pulling down $378 million in 2011 alone; Apple skirting taxes more brazenly than anyone else—yet those revelations have caused barely a stir.”

Hughes responded to the note six minutes later: “I think those are valid issues, although Apple has acted squarely within the law,” he wrote. “The law itself is fucked up. But I don’t think you can underestimate the difficulty of his decision or how tone deaf that argument would be today.”

The other editorial employees on the list were surprised by the response. It was an internal listserv for writers and editors, and the staffers didn’t realize that Hughes, who had relinquished his title as editor-in-chief when he installed Vidra, was on it. MacGillis responded by saying that he would hold off on writing, but added, “Just for the record, though, it is not so clear that Apple acted squarely within the law. The law’s a mess, but Apple pushed the bounds of it more than anyone.” He pasted text from a piece in the Times that questioned some of Apple’s practices.

[–] turtlesareneat@piefed.ca 44 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Billionaires aren't people in the same sense that we are, Cook has turned his back on the queer community, so he can say whatever he wants about himself, but he's not gay in the same sense that the rest of us are.

[–] potato_lemon@feddit.nl 34 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Yeah. Billionaires are not people. Good point.

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[–] Sims@lemmy.ml 20 points 5 days ago

because it feels deeply like these wealthy men exploit their sexuality to justify avoiding critique of their actions outside of their sexuality.

Not Gay, so don't know about that angle, but they are ALL some high level of Pscho - just to have ended up where they are. There is simply no way you can be the head of a big Corp and not have trampled on workers, co-workers, customers as well as more fair-minded smaller corps and anything in between. 'Competition' is a white-washing word for 'eternal economic war' that at that level always spills over to law-fare, info-wars, political corruption/manipulation, psy-ops and any dirty trick in the book - all in the name of 'Competition' and being "successful".

These sick people would sell someone else's mom as slaves if they could get ahead on that move, but will always appear lovely, friendly etc, simply because that is the image they want people to see, and that is the image they are paying big money to other corps to create.

It is pretty cringe to see people worshipping these disgusting sub-humans in charge of big corp..

[–] takeda@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 5 days ago (1 children)

The main thing I remember about Tim Cook was him making me realize how wealthy white cisgender gay men were hardly different from wealthy white cisgender straight men.

Same with Bessent, or maybe even worse.

They want us to flight because of color, gender, sexual orientation etc. so we don't notice that the real war is a class war.

It's sad that so many people still don't see this.

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[–] melsaskca@lemmy.ca 5 points 3 days ago

Fuck Tim Apple and his gifting of trinkets to a shit demon.

[–] melsaskca@lemmy.ca 15 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I never owned an apple product because of their "killing batteries from afar" fiasco. Once I saw Tim Apple giving trump little golden trinkets on television I knew my decision was right. It reminded me of putting money in the collection plate.

[–] johncandy1812@lemmy.ca 6 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

For me it was "forced integration of your music library with Apple music" when the ipod was all the rage.

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[–] pelespirit@sh.itjust.works 28 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Timothy Donald Cook (born November 1, 1960) is an American business executive who served as the chief executive officer (CEO) of Apple Inc. from 2011 to 2026, and has been the company's executive chairman since September 2026.

https://www.macrumors.com/2025/08/07/tim-cook-gift-to-trump/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tim_Cook

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[–] Imgonnatrythis@sh.itjust.works 24 points 5 days ago (1 children)

RIP Tim Apple. You embarrassed a once innovative brand but at least you made a lot of money.

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[–] obvs@lemmy.world 23 points 5 days ago (7 children)

MacOS was so much better when Steve Jobs was in charge.

Tim Cook REALLY made it worse. Steve Jobs made sure the user experience was generally good, although admittedly there were many times when he was pigheaded. On a personal level, Steve Jobs was a terrible person, but he made the operating system very good and very consistent.

And Tim Cook didn't care about any of that, and macOS is now SUPER inconsistent and much less user friendly. It's still better than Windows, but MAN is it so so so much worse.

[–] Almacca@aussie.zone 33 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

admittedly there were many times when he was pigheaded

Arguably, he'd still be alive today if he wasn't so pigheaded.

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[–] JasonDJ@lemmy.zip 22 points 5 days ago

It's still better than Windows

The problem there is that Windows has been lowering the bar for a decade now.

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[–] TheBluetoofs@piefed.social 23 points 5 days ago

Agreed. The new CEO isn’t off to a great start, either. Bending the knee in your first few days is not a good look.

[–] minorkeys@sh.itjust.works 17 points 5 days ago (2 children)

His tenure is that of a businessman, not an innovator or visionary. Good or bad, Jobs was all three.

[–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 14 points 5 days ago

jobs was not an innovator, hes good at marketing, he as ruthless as a business as any other.

[–] RIotingPacifist@lemmy.world 13 points 5 days ago (28 children)

Vissonary maybe but innovator?

IPhones & MacBooks were well built & marketed but neither was really innovative.

[–] muusemuuse@sh.itjust.works 10 points 5 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (6 children)

iPhones literally were visionary. The whole industry was trying to imitate blackberry and overnight apple made them completely irrelevant. Android changed to what it is from what was originally a blackberry interface.

MacBooks, yea, it’s a laptop. They had some really good ideas in there, sure. MagSafe and touchpads that didnt royally suck ass were welcome features. The M-series lighting a fire under intels ass was exactly what the entire industry needed. Love them or hate them, even when Apple is bad, they create good trouble in an industry that needed to be proven wrong from time to time.

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[–] AgentSeven@lemmy.zip 16 points 5 days ago (3 children)

15 years later and the Photos app on iOS is still the same nearly useless pile of shit.

[–] muusemuuse@sh.itjust.works 11 points 5 days ago

That is absolutely untrue. Apple has spent tons of time and money in ruining that app and it is a pinnacle of useless trash today thanks to those efforts. Respect.

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[–] IamBlank@lemmy.zip 6 points 4 days ago

Don’t forget the further entrapment in subscription hell with Apple one.

[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 17 points 5 days ago (6 children)

To be fair, once we reduced electronics to black slabs and tiny earbuds there’s not much more we can revolutionize

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[–] darkmogool@feddit.org 9 points 5 days ago (1 children)
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[–] rants_unnecessarily@piefed.social 9 points 5 days ago (6 children)

Who the hell designed that rainbow?!

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[–] f4f4f4f4f4f4f4f4@sopuli.xyz 5 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (8 children)

Is this where we share all of our Apple woes?

I had to use an iPhone for work the other day. The up arrow to send a text message was present but not responding.

Oh, the autocorrect has highlighted a word it thinks I misspelled, and I'm guessing we can't send because a word is highlighted?! OK, tap elsewhere on the message to cancel highlight; it still won't send, WTF? Tap AGAIN elsewhere on the message, and now it can send.

Lots of reaching up to the top of the screen for no reason, too. Why are there controls up there when my thumbs are already at the bottom for the keyboard? I have to reconfigure my grip on the expensive device I don't want to drop, just for basic user interactions.

iPhone always leaves me wondering who approved the software working like this, have they ever used a computer before; and how is Android going to degrade in an attempt to copy this behavior?

[–] GolfFoxtrotLima@sh.itjust.works 7 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Honestly if there are good alternatives to apple, I would switch to alternatives, I am seriously considering buying a fair phone

[–] f4f4f4f4f4f4f4f4@sopuli.xyz 6 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

I only buy cheap Androids with Snapdragon and degoogle. Yeah, Android is also starting to suck but at least you are currently allowed to take out the trash.

I learned today that connecting a child's Google account to a device completely neuters the ability to install or manage apps from anywhere other than Google Play. As in: I, the parent, can't even temporarily allow F-Droid to be able to install an app. Fuck Google, too.

Note to self: Lemmy/Voyager ate this comment; I can't see it outside of my comment history but someone else saw it...

[–] Bahnd@lemmy.world 5 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Seconding the motorola suggestion, but hold a little longer until the GrapheneOS compatable models drop.

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