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[–] DudleyMason@lemmy.ml 10 points 2 days ago (4 children)

What an insipid thought.

Hurting bad people is good. Helping bad people is bad. We need to do a lot more hurting bad people as a society.

[–] Daft_ish@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 2 days ago (5 children)

Maga translation: "kill the gays"

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[–] UnequalExchange@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago (1 children)

only problem is that most modern socieites reward you for helping bad people or actively help bad people ( THATS why we have so many shitty politicians in so many high places) and punishes you for ALL the hurt thst you conduct against people , whether they be gopd or bad.

"Now, there's one thing you might have noticed I don't complain about: politicians. Everybody complains about politicians. Everybody says they suck. Well, where do people think these politicians come from? They don't fall out of the sky. They don't pass through a membrane from another reality. They come from American parents and American families, American homes, American schools, American churches, American businesses and American universities, and they are elected by American citizens. This is the best we can do folks. This is what we have to offer. It's what our system produces: Garbage in, garbage out. If you have selfish, ignorant citizens, you're going to get selfish, ignorant leaders. Term limits ain't going to do any good; you're just going to end up with a brand new bunch of selfish, ignorant Americans. So, maybe, maybe, maybe, it's not the politicians who suck. Maybe something else sucks around here... like, the public. Yeah, the public sucks. There's a nice campaign slogan for somebody: 'The Public Sucks. F*ck Hope.'" -- George Carlin

Exactly, trump is the president we deserve, he embodies all our traits as a nation. He could be tried and hanged tomorrow and it won't change the fact that most of his opponents are only against him because he's not bribing them too.

[–] Auli@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 day ago

Worst thing we have done is what is the truth? And validating everyone's opinion and not just telling them they are fucking stupid.

[–] Dicska@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago
[–] dreadbeef@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (4 children)

There are material conditions to causing the actions which people think of as evil. Material conditions explain virtually everything about the actions of humans within capitalism. "We can't possibly know how people do evil things, they just are naturally evil in an unexplained way" is just admitting you don't know what material conditions would cause evil actions to happen. That is a *you* problem if you feel the same. You need to learn about dialectical materialism if you agree with their line of thought. This is your brain when you are ignorant of the incentives capital, both fiduciary and non-fiduciary kinds, does within capitalist societies.

[–] levmailhere@lemmy.zip 3 points 2 days ago

A couple of really solid book if you like this:

a history of the world in seven cheap things by raj patel

exocapitalism by marek poliks

[–] Alexfire@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

Yes, it's human made causes, not supernatural, so of course they need human made solutions. Like human trafficking and infections will not get fixed by incantations, but can be fixed with data-backed solutions. Use Sagan's baloney detection kit to figure out what has backing and peer reviewed, and is best for healthy, happy humanity of the majority, no just the wealthy owners.

[–] grrgyle@slrpnk.net 1 points 1 day ago

Yeah the system lets "evil" float to the top. Different systems would encourage different results.

So capitalism is a problem for everyone in the world, but there's something more fundamental happening in the US. Capitalism is just an excuse, but people really do not give a fuck about their communities in the US, or at least a small minority do care. 90% of people of all walks of life, they just wanna make a million dollars and they won't flinch to kill a neighbor for it. Hell, half of them won't flinch to kill a family member for a million bucks.

[–] NoTagBacks@lemmy.dbzer0.com 56 points 3 days ago (10 children)

It's funny because I agree and disagree at the same time. I've had varying levels of "there's way more nuance to this" and "how the fuck is everyone complicating this???" throughout my life and have generally come to the conclusion that it's much more complex than that in that everything is both more nuanced and more simple at the same time because politics really is that stupid.

However, in getting involved in political circles and actually getting to know some legitimate decision makers toward the top, some of these fuckers are way more stupid than we think. Like, alarmingly so. I've had moments where some GOP dumbfuck is doing some evil shit and I'm like "I don't think they're doing this maliciously" and some of my more partisan left-ish friends get all offended think I'm defending them, when really it's so much worse; they're doing it because they're legitimately really fucking stupid... and they're part of world leadership. Don't get me wrong, some of them are both stupid and an asshole, but at the end of the day, people in general tend to get the overall picture of politics wrong because it's way more nuanced in how fucking stupid it is.

One more fun thought for y'all: many of the really dumb legislators I've met in the past predate the current GOP alignment. And you see how much dumber the current GOP is versus the GOP of not even a decade ago? Well...

[–] MeatPilot@sh.itjust.works 32 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

This is the truth I see as well. I'm around a lot of upper crust events, old money decision maker millionaires. I'm taking pictures so I overhear a lot I probably shouldn't, literally the fly on the wall.

They are not doing things maliciously on purpose. It's more like what George Carlin said, it's a club and we ain't in it. They are ignorant to what the upper middle-class and below actually do and they really don't care to learn or can't grasp it. They do things based more on their perspectives in an echo chamber. They don't make friends outside that circle.

Ask them a basic question from highschool science and they will respond with a very wrong answer with absolute confidence. I've met homeless people on the street with more intelligence.

You have to experience things or work for them to gain any knowledge.

[–] MelodiousFunk@slrpnk.net 25 points 3 days ago (3 children)

Any sufficiently advanced stupidity is indistinguishable from malice.

[–] searabbit@piefed.social 16 points 3 days ago

I think there's a word for that: negligence

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Basically: Hanlon's Razor

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[–] BilSabab@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

after a stint at ministry of education i'm convincing you don't even need to be evil or stupid to cause catastrophic consequences. that's baked into the institutions themselves.

[–] BussyGyatt@feddit.org 48 points 3 days ago (4 children)

i can never tell which is supposed to be the original and which the reply on these posts. the higher up one is the original? but it has a thread bar next to it?

[–] wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz 21 points 3 days ago

Yeah it's fucking atrocious

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[–] CultLeader4Hire@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

Careful, this is his conservatives think too… othering people can be dangerous if you don’t do the ground work to understand why you think what you do. Metacognition is required

[–] SwissArmyKazoo@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago

Humanity is perhaps the most valuable blessing and cursed atrocity ever conceived on this big ROUND GEOSPHERE earth.

(Note the All Caps)

[–] OneWomanCreamTeam@sh.itjust.works 16 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Oh I kinda hate this attitude. Like shit, even evil has lots of nuance to it. And understanding that nuance can help you oppose it, or protect yourself from it.

[–] ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works 9 points 2 days ago (2 children)

True, but at a certain point the time and attention diverted into the nuances within evil becomes a big component of the banality part.

[–] Zorque@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

Yes, that certain point isnt anywhere near where we're currently at.

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[–] UnrepententProcrastinator@lemmy.ca 6 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

I think the issue is people think "debatters" are operating in good faith. The nuances is for the crowd not for the grifters.

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[–] Shanmugha@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

As a video I watched the other day says, "it's that simple"

[–] NocturnalMorning@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago

A lot of people are stupid, and there are a lot of people with anti-social personality disorders out there willing to manipulate stupid people.

Fixed

[–] moakley@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago

Me as a teenager: Someday, reality television is going to destroy the world.

Me in my 20s: That was a silly thing to think. People like different things, and there's good in everyone.

Me now: A reality TV star is literally destroying the world.

[–] deacon@lemmy.world 14 points 3 days ago

I think it comes from the realization that dispels so many assumptions you didn’t know you had.

The realization that nobody knows what they are doing.

[–] MalReynolds@slrpnk.net 13 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

Never attribute to malice what can be adequately explained by incompetence becomes, 'Why not both?'.

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[–] Daft_ish@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 days ago

To be fair, trump cleared a lot of this up for us.

What’s that bell curve meme? One end “people are stupid”, middle “people are complicated”, far end “people are stupid.”

[–] billwashere@lemmy.world 7 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

I actually think it’s more based on greed but yeah same.

Well that and racism.

[–] Jax@sh.itjust.works 8 points 2 days ago (3 children)
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1994 Simpsons (so i guess their writers in 1993)

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