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    [–] ICastFist@programming.dev 10 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

    Time to get back to Assembly, I guess.

    But do you trust the CPU?

    Well, fuck

    [–] AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world 2 points 18 hours ago

    The CPU runs Minix, are you going to tell me you don't trust Minix now?

    [–] demizerone@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago

    I think about this every day.

    [–] rizzothesmall@sh.itjust.works 17 points 2 days ago (3 children)

    Maybe? If you poison the prompt then there's evidence and it can be undone. Poison fragments of the source training data, however, and that's some KT shit right there. Enterprise foundation models cost bonkers money to train and pretty much slurp up all the data on the internet for mostly automated annotation. Stick something in an obscure part of the internet which becomes part of the training and produces the malicious response and it's going to be both hard and expensive to detect or correct.

    [–] ICastFist@programming.dev 1 points 12 hours ago

    Should be relatively easy, with the amount of once trusted packages that become attack vectors

    [–] CheesyFox@lemmy.sdf.org 7 points 2 days ago (1 children)

    except for poison to take in, it should be a pretty significant part of the dataset. Also, ngl, i'm not much informed on the topic, but aren't all the datasets, if we're talking about generic diffusion models and LLMs, already been formed? From what i gather, the innovation in AI mainly comes from utilizing new architectures, rather than training a model on something unique.

    [–] rizzothesmall@sh.itjust.works 8 points 1 day ago (4 children)

    The datasets are constantly expanding as new content is generated online. There's a degradation issue currently where the models are training on incorrect data generated by previous iteration of their own or other models and effectively poisoning itself to more confidently give the same incorrect information in future.

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    [–] Onomatopoeia@lemmy.cafe 87 points 2 days ago (1 children)
    [–] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 30 points 2 days ago

    Dev is screwed.

    [–] rtxn@lemmy.world 65 points 2 days ago (3 children)
    [–] Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 1 day ago

    Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?

    [–] Redjard@reddthat.com 19 points 2 days ago (1 children)

    I've had it on my todo for years to work through ddc and trusting trust.
    Which is a method to verify a compiler is matching its source and thus trustworthy.

    An orthogonal approach is reproducible builds, which among many benefits can make sure a few people verifying things benefit everyone who can then see they have the same verified binaries.

    [–] eah@programming.dev 4 points 1 day ago
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    [–] not@lemmy.dbzer0.com 32 points 2 days ago (3 children)
    [–] Natanox@discuss.tchncs.de 7 points 2 days ago (1 children)

    The ending is rather unsatisfactory.

    [–] einfach_orangensaft@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

    spoilerSome how like all sophisticated technical stories about ai it ends with the acceptance that there is nothing we can do because the alternative would be going back to analog.

    [–] Natanox@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 1 day ago

    Sounds like quitter talk to me. It's not like AI is an evolutionary process that just happens somewhere, it's a localized tool - and even if it spreads itself, that would be by far the most humonguous virus ever. I think those authors just write down their own fears.

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    [–] abbadon420@sh.itjust.works 42 points 2 days ago (1 children)

    The very fact that Anthropic is now injecting a kind of watermark into every output, is solid proof that such a Ken Thompson hack is a inevetable risk

    [–] AudaciousArmadillo@piefed.blahaj.zone 15 points 2 days ago (1 children)

    Ugh. Fuck "AI" and fuck Anthropic. But please read how the "watermarks" work. TL;TR its like a seeded run in a video game. With the seed and pseudo rng, you get the outcome i.e. the extruded text. In the watermark its the reverse, outcome + prng = seed. The result will be the same "quality" extruded garbage as before.

    [–] douglasg14b@lemmy.world 10 points 2 days ago

    Good luck.

    Lemmy is damn near the when it comes to wanting to hold an opinion on a topic without having first understood that topic.

    [–] irotsoma@piefed.blahaj.zone 22 points 2 days ago (1 children)

    Devs should be "dev managers and executives". Real developers know LLMs are basically just a tool for finding examples and helping with syntax. Sure they're useful, but I'd never let them write code, much less compile it. Who knows what they'd inject into a build.

    [–] Natanox@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 2 days ago

    Real developers know LLMs are basically just a tool for finding examples and helping with syntax.

    Your words on gods ears. I also found it to be reasonably useful when you're stuck in the documentation of a library clearly written by and for people who already know it.

    Unfortunately people who do not understand code are blissfully ignorant at what garbage they have the machine spit out. Of course until the LLM nukes their whole project folder or even disk because the probability engine unfortunately picked "clean slate" as the most probable next thing. Not as if that ever happened at companies, lol.

    [–] dan@upvote.au 11 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

    At work, I use AI for some things. Right now I'm rewriting some legacy spaghetti code that's had a bunch of things hacked into it over the years. I spoke to the person most familiar with the expected behaviour and used AI to combine his info plus the existing code and unit/integration tests into a list of requirements.

    I wrote the new code and tests based on the requirements rather than based on the old code. After each commit, I used AI to check for parity between the old and new code, and it keeps a Google Sheet up to date with the progress (which features were fully implemented, and which ones were missing or had gaps). I had AI write some tests cases too - given the list of requirements, write integration tests for them based on the style of a few tests I wrote by hand.

    It has some quirks (eg for tests it loves over-mocking even though our skills tell it to mock as little as possible) but it definitely speeds things up.

    I use AI for small side projects at work too. Tweaking and adding features I want to shared libraries, internal tools to help our team debug stuff and automate triaging of bug reports (they're all still reviewed by a human), etc.

    The entire reason I can trust its code is because I can read it and tweak it myself. I sometimes need to go through a few iterations to get AI code into an acceptable state. AI writing machine code directly, like what's been talked about recently and what this post is referencing, is such a dumb idea.

    There's other people at work that use AI for absolutely everything. Writing code, reading code, writing posts in our internal groups, etc. That's something I don't understand. Some people that are all-in on AI produce so much low-quality AI slop.

    I think that's the distinction between an expert using a tool diligently and responsibly, and a lazy person using it haphazardly as a crutch.

    If that tool ever gets ripped out from under you, you'll possibly suffer a loss in performance, but you'll still be able to perform and do your job.

    If their crutch is kicked out, they'll crash.

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