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[–] davetortoise@reddthat.com 134 points 2 months ago (5 children)

"No way to prevent this" says only distro where this regularly happens

[–] diaphragmwp@discuss.tchncs.de 52 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (13 children)

News from this year:

  • virtualbox-ext-vnc >= 7.2.12-2 requires manual intervention (package won't install)
  • Active AUR malicious packages incident (the AUR is locked)
  • Arch Linux 2026 Leader Election Results
  • Breaking changes for all users of varnish, which is renamed to vinyl-cache (it's a proxy, only affects servers)
  • kea >= 1:3.0.3-6 update requires manual intervention (dhcp server, affects routers)
  • iptables now defaults to the nft backend (affects pretty much nothing)

Repost.

Also, my Mint install broke, uh, shit I don't remember, 5 times? Arch broke zero times. Zero times not my own fault for forgetting I was installing something and shutting off the computer, of course. Except for the times I tried the fucking installer python script, but since I never even booted the install it doesn't count.

[–] hirihit640@sh.itjust.works 15 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Mint broke for you? That's the first I've heard of it.

Also if you have a habit of shutting down the PC during updates, check out atomic/immutable distros. They are almost impossible to break. You can pull the power during an update and it'll be fine.

[–] Holytimes@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 months ago

Mint breaks weirdly often but also it's inconsistent in my experience. It's a great example of it explodes for some people and others it's a god like entity of perfection. Never in-between. Lol

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[–] bhamlin@lemmy.world 35 points 2 months ago

Foot-guns are my PROTECTED SECOND AMENDMENT RIGHT.

[–] Shanmugha@lemmy.world 12 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Arch explicitly says "never do this"

[–] davetortoise@reddthat.com 19 points 2 months ago (17 children)

Well yeah and cigarettes tell you not to smoke them

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[–] Sanctus@anarchist.nexus 59 points 2 months ago (1 children)

https://archlinux.org/news/virtualbox-ext-vnc-7212-2-requires-manual-intervention/ dont worry you only need to shit your pants if you are using virtual box and dont read (sorry OP)

[–] black0ut@pawb.social 12 points 2 months ago (3 children)

Who uses virtualbox on Linux having KVM, QEMU and virsh/virt-manager?

It's gonna be slower, proprietary, and it's not even as easy to install

[–] lemmyvore@feddit.nl 12 points 2 months ago

It's not slower.

proprietary

Only the extension pack, the app itself is GPL.

not even as easy to install

How do you mean? You simply install virtualbox (and virtual-guest-iso if you want). All the relevant packages are available from official repos, at least on Manjaro, including a linux-virtualbox-host-modules-meta package that maintains the required linux*-virtualbox-host-modules as needed automatically.

Also, I prefer virtualbox because it makes a lot of stuff easy to do.

File sharing with the host for example, it's a matter of simply pointing at a dir in settings, as opposed to having to set up Samba on the host (which I don't have and don't want) and deal with wierd networking issues, or deal with virtiofs.

Don't even get me started on selecting locations for the vm files. Whatever you think it should work like, virt-manager's way ain't it.

[–] bhamlin@lemmy.world 10 points 2 months ago

So, I use it on my workstation because I have to also use windows and virtualbox's cross system integration is far more mature. I really only use it as necessary and it isn't running all the time.

I would prefer to use qemu, but I'm not doing anything serious with it. I'm just sometimes running a windows instance that I need to be able to easily share files with, and copy/paste across. Once virt-viewer gets there, I'll switch.

Though, to be honest, it actually uses kvm as its backend so it really isn't any less performant than qemu for this.

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[–] inari@piefed.zip 42 points 2 months ago (9 children)

That's why I go for boring distros like Fedora

[–] OwOarchist@pawb.social 11 points 2 months ago (22 children)

Yeah, lol. Arch people keep telling me that this never happens, and yet here it is.

Nah. Debian is fine for me.

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[–] carpelbridgesyndrome@sh.itjust.works 28 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Except the last arch news post is a month ago about virtualbox. I've blindly run pacman -Syu for years without issue

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[–] Miaou@jlai.lu 20 points 2 months ago (7 children)

It's difficult to take people shitting on arch in here seriously. I'll take 1h per year fixing whatever broke over a whole weekend upgrading Debian.

Oh and god forbid you need to compile yourself a package and maybe a few of its dependencies from scratch because that 6 years old bug didn't make it through the freeze last release.

[–] vandsjov@feddit.dk 8 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Debian can take a week to upgrade? Apparently I’m yolo’ing it and just the upgrade. However I have just done one major update, so u might just be lucky

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[–] affenlehrer@feddit.org 17 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

That's why I use archdebian gives me all the latest software 5 years later.

[–] Crumpled6273@lemmy.ca 6 points 2 months ago

archdebian? arch+debian dual boot?

[–] TootSweet@lemmy.world 14 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (5 children)

What specifically happened? Can you share the news item?

[–] TeamAssimilation@infosec.pub 8 points 2 months ago (7 children)

I think no rolling releases has gotten their act right. All eventually break with an update, and if you skipped several, the likelihood of reinstalling is high.

At least they teach you good backup practices.

[–] black0ut@pawb.social 6 points 2 months ago (4 children)

My record with Arch is longer than 6 months without updates, and it completed the updates fine.

My oldest install is 4 years old, and it's true, it became unbootable once. But it was my fault, for generating an initramfs without free space in /tmp, which caused it to fail. It was a quick fix once I figured it out.

All of this isn't to say rolling is as stable as Debian, of course. Rolling is inherently gonna be more unstable, and that's by design.

But if you take some care, you can actually make these rolling distros pretty stable. Hell, my servers run Arch (I'm working on migrating them to Gentoo to get rid of systemd, but I haven't yet commited to it). And I haven't had any serious breakages, even on Arch Linux ARM.

[–] lemmyvore@feddit.nl 6 points 2 months ago (2 children)

But it was my fault, for generating an initramfs without free space in /tmp, which caused it to fail.

I really don't think that was your fault. A critical build process that's not checking for resources and not failing gracefully and leaving the machine unbootable is not the user's fault.

A build+install can fail for many reasons. It's actually annoying how many critical system updates on Linux don't use a staging process and a sudden power-off at the wrong time can leave the machine completely crippled.

Some distros have taken to doing a BTRFS snapshot before they start the upgrade but (a) they're far and few in between and (b) that still doesn't fix the upgrade process, it's just sweeping the problem under the carpet.

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[–] Wispy2891@lemmy.world 12 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Why, what news? What I need to be careful this time?

[–] Brewchin@lemmy.world 9 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Nothing. OP is imagining an idiot for imaginary internet points.

[–] AlteredEgo@lemmy.ml 10 points 2 months ago (1 children)

What happened with Arch?

Wait, let me update real quick and reboot, brb

[–] zitrone@europe.pub 10 points 2 months ago (3 children)

the fact that they wrote "be right back" 5 hours ago and then never came back is telling

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[–] lemonhead2@lemmy.world 10 points 2 months ago

i use arch btw

this happened to me once in 6 years. it was my own fault.

[–] cyberpunk007@lemmy.ca 8 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I love me my arch, but yes. This is a reality.

[–] dream_weasel@sh.itjust.works 11 points 2 months ago (3 children)

It's super rare in my experience over the last 10+ years.

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[–] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 8 points 2 months ago (3 children)

Really? It happens this often?

In 26 years, I've seen this happen in two occasions with enterprise Linux. One of them was my own damned fault for using a marginal config. The other was an update that added a new dependency in the code but not the package.

That's it. Twice.

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[–] BetterDev@programming.dev 6 points 2 months ago

Every hero has a journey.

Yours has just begun.

I warn you, this is not the easy path.

But I urge you to heed the call.

For though there will be trials and tribulations,

soon, my friend, you will own new socks.

[–] katharta@piefed.social 6 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Idk, I've had installs of Kinoite, Bazzite, and NixOS bork themselves unrecoverably. Arch, if something goofs, more often than not I can work my way back to a working system without wiping.

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[–] Sivecano@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 2 months ago

This hasn't been a thing in years at this point

[–] ZombieCyborgFromOuterSpace@piefed.ca 5 points 2 months ago (12 children)

Why would anyone want to use a distro that can break at any update unexpectedly or have to read articles first to see if it's safe is beyond me.

It's too much of a hassle.

[–] funkless_eck@sh.itjust.works 14 points 2 months ago (2 children)

yeah windows do be like that

[–] lightnsfw@reddthat.com 6 points 2 months ago (2 children)

I've yet to have one of my windows systems brick itself. Several of my Linux systems have.

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[–] UnfortunateShort@lemmy.world 8 points 2 months ago (3 children)

Any distro can break at any update. If you've ever done a major upgrade on any fixed-release distro, you have very likely experienced some sort of issue.

And the solution is very simple (and the same for all distros): Enable Snapshots, roll back if important stuff breaks.

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