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Is this satire? Of course you've seen the same shit done after Casablanca a lot; they all took a cue from Casablanca!
The same for if you've only played FPS games post Half-Life then finally played Half-Life. It looks derivative because so much shit after it copied from it.
If you have to ask if something is satire, then if it is, it's done its job; if it isn't, it's propaganda.
I'm in my late 40s, and Casablanca was always on my radar, but it wasn't something I sought out until I ran into a reference last night and thought "maybe I should finally fucking watch this."
The movie was far better than I was expecting. The writing is tight, the cinematography excellent, and the acting top-notch. I can easily see why it is the movie everything started referencing.
But at this point, damn near every scene has been redone either as homage or satire, making the original seem oddly like the joke itself.
Seriously. Give it a rewatch and try to turn off the voice that says "Oh, they did that in ..."
In other movies that predate Casablanca?
I, too, would be interested in hearing the pre-1942 movies Casablanca is supposedly a "derived pastiche" of
This has got to be satire. Right?
Yes
I actually just watched it for the first time a couple of days ago myself. It did feel very familiar, but I think that's because so many things that came after aped it. I'm not well versed in hayes code era films, but I wonder if maybe the derivative aspect you're talking about might be from media made after Casablanca? It was released in 1942 after all.
I thought the movie was kind of mid. Like they tried setting up Rick as this self-interested nihilist but all of his efforts to remain neutral almost seemed like it was played with a wink to the audience. Ilsa was excellent though. Ingrid Bergman melted into the role and you could really feel her tension about her love for Rick and Victor.
As far as Bogart movies go though I still prefer The Maltese Falcon.
The movie Casablanca defined the genre.
the matrix is equally derivative, I don’t get it smh my head
Yeah it feels like they just watched a bunch of other films that came later, took the best bits, and glued it all together. They even took popular memes and recreated them verbatim into the film. I suppose that's what Hollywood has become now in 1942.
You successfully Ken M.'d them. :D
I was hoping using variations of "thing" thrice in two sentences would indicate the tenor. It did not.
For me, it was the use of the word pastiche.