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[–] scholar@lemmy.world 2 points 14 hours ago

David has been drawing the Pepper and Carrot webcomic for well over a decade now and his style has been pretty consistent.

He makes them all in Krita as well.

[–] Jankatarch@lemmy.world 3 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago)

I blame the image generators more than the people. If they didn't exist, nobody would be blaming them.

There are probably artists thinking "I don't wanna post my art online cause what if they call it fake or use it to train" too nowadays.

Alternatively, we could change social traditions to one where it's normal to go "Well artist's credit is there, I will investigate real quick." But that's for later.

[–] Venator@lemmy.nz 1 points 16 hours ago

TFW your illustrations are too aesthetically pleasing 🫠

[–] greybeard@feddit.online 4 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

The first time I saw one of his comics I really thought it was AI as well. The yellow tint was part of it, but I think another part is the background and foreground not matching. Another thing that stood out was just the amount of detail, felt way more effort than most web comics.

It really is too bad for the artists, he clearly puts a ton of work into these, and it no doubt hurts to have others undercut that.

[–] Dagobah@lemmy.world 2 points 16 hours ago

I'm afraid to say I did too and it wasn't until I saw his time-lapse that I was fully convinced. I think it's the soft, studio ghibli like style. One of the chat GPT models was spruiking it a year or so ago or and everybody was posting 'Ghiblified' profile pics so now it's kind of synonymous with low effort AI art (which is such a shame).

[–] liinux@pawb.social 20 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I fucking hate social networks for this exactly, the 80% of the users are just lazy motherfuckers who do not do anything for their lifes but comment shit, their life force is literally criticize others while being such useless pieces of shit

[–] starchylemming@lemmy.world 33 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

his comics are great. i enjoyed the full page of short format comics: https://www.peppercarrot.com/en/webcomics/peppercarrot.html

first impressions give a strong ai vibe, but he makes a good case that ai looks like his work instead indeed

[–] inari@piefed.zip 34 points 1 day ago (1 children)

He's been doing this same art style for many years, certainly before LLMs were launched.

His Pepper & Carrot series started in 2014, all freely released under a Creative Commons license, by the way:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pepper%26Carrot

[–] sukhmel@programming.dev 2 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago)

I like his art, and have been reading his comics before AI flood, but one thing I find very annoying now that I didn't notice before: AI slop tends to draw characters staring intently at nothing, completely missing an object they are supposed to look at, so now it irks me whenever I see that even if it's a human made art. Edit: and to be fair, here the character looks at a parrot instead of painting, which is valid but feels off at a first glance, maybe I just need to go touch some dry grass left. Edit end

Same thing to a lesser extent for when a character does an action like chopping a PC monitor with an axe, but it looks like a slap instead, which I also have seen made by humans. I get it, action poses are hard, it's just now I'm more sensitive to those because of all the slop 😩

[–] Jesus_666@lemmy.world 19 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The same happens to people who write a lot and pay attention to their style, such as this gentleman. The way LLMs generate text is strongly influenced by what used to be considered a high-effort eloquent style. Varied sentence lengths, triplets, typographically correct punctuation, yada yada yada. Until recently, that stuff used to be the hallmark of professional writers (and Kenyans, apparently).

What were LLMs trained on? Professional writing, first and foremost. Books, scientific papers, op-eds, blog posts. So by default they take a polite, professional tone with all the flourishes and best practices that previously used to be de rigueur for authors and the like. So now what happens when someone used to "proper" writing writes something?

Everyone thinks it's AI slop because that's how LLMs talk. High effort now looks like low effort. And because tech bros immediately went on to develop "humanizing" tech, any other style will soon also look like low effort. And the same is true for art: Being able to produce highly detailed pictures with spectacular colors and shadows went from something impressive to evidence that you're just a random jackass with a ChatGPT subscription.

You can't really win anymore. Anything short of a live performance or a feature-length movie could feasibly have been generated by a fully automated content mill. That really sucks if you want to engage in creative expression of any kind and doubly so if you once thought you could make a living off of that.

[–] urushitan@kakera.kintsugi.moe 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Just gotta use the latest slang to come out of tik tok before it hits the model training ong fr fr bruh. Ah shit I'm behind brb

[–] Jesus_666@lemmy.world 13 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Problem is, if your slang is too new it looks like gibberish. Of course you could try something else that stands out. Like badly translated idioms.

But it's probably jacket like pants. Even if you tear your ass open to make your writing look less 08/15 that doesn't mean everything's in butter. It's probably only a matter of time until LLMs will copper off that style as well and your clever plan turns into a zero number. And that's where the hare lies in the pepper: Your clarity goes over the Jordan and it ain't itching the LLMs' bean. It'll get trained on your stuff anyway and the cat bites its own tail.

Maybe bad translations aren't the solution either.

[–] MelodiousFunk@slrpnk.net 4 points 1 day ago

Maybe bad translations aren't the solution either.

No, by all means, please continue. I'm fully invested now.

[–] NekoKoneko@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

Since AI has poisoned the space for professional writing, and for slang, gibberish is the only thing we have left.

[–] naught101@lemmy.world 18 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Must be frustrating. I've been following him since he was making tutorials using alchemy and mypaint around 2010, so I've seen his style coalesce. I can understand the commenters' suspicion, it just kinda sucks that some of the most common AI styles landed so close to his..

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[–] TrippyHippyDan@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago

Nothing like knowing all your art was 💯 trained on without your consent.

[–] state_electrician@discuss.tchncs.de 10 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Feel similar to NothingEverHappens, now we get EverythinIsAI. That fucking garbage just further erodes trust.

[–] kescusay@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

I had someone ask me recently if a picture of Thomas Aquinas was AI-generated. It was a 15th-century painting.

[–] chuckleslord@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

Which is the goal. Low trust societies are easier (initially) to control

[–] modem_down@thebrainbin.org 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] AVincentInSpace@pawb.social 1 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 22 hours ago) (1 children)

Pro tip: when copying a link to a Lemmy/Piefed/Kbin/etc post, please make sure you use your instance's option to copy the link to the post on its original instance (the instance the post was made on), rather than simply copying the link to the post on your instance out of your URL bar. On your instance's web interface, that option is in the More drop down next to the Boost button, just below the post title. (On a Lemmy instance, the link to the original post is the Fediverse icon right next to the upvote and downvote buttons, and you can right click and Copy Link from there).

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Judging by your account age, it seems you're new to Lemmy, so you probably didn't know that. Just something to keep in mind for future. :)

[–] Tehdastehdas@piefed.social 1 points 16 hours ago

Seems like it would be more effective to get the client applications to (suggest to) clean up the links. All users can't remember that.

[–] A_norny_mousse@piefed.zip 7 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (5 children)

"Everybody wants to be a sleuth" or something, analog to "everyone's a critic".

I wish it was limited to visual artists; just a few minutes ago I read a lengthy & well-written comment right here in the fediverse, to which someone replied "they shouldn't have used AI to write it". Somehow completely ignoring the actual content.

This has been going on for a while. Partially because AI-generated imagery was really bad just a couple of years ago, so people feel competent, otoh it gets harder to detect, which is a challenge... not sure where I'm going with this, but I have a feeling that this is an aspect of human behavior that manifests in other regards, too, and has forever. And that I believe it will pass, although the downside might be that artists will start to create things that deliberately do not look "like they're AI".

[–] NotSteve_@lemmy.ca 14 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (9 children)

I get it though, the state of everything right now really really sucks. When I enjoy content that I later find to be AI generated, I feel like I've been deceived or manipulated and it has me doubting the authenticity of pretty much everything to avoid feeling that way.

I don't know what the solution would be to it at this point either

[–] A_norny_mousse@piefed.zip -1 points 1 day ago

I don't feel that way.

Almost ten years ago I read something an AI had written "by itself". Apart from the initial paragraph, which was the human-supplied prompt, it read like something a student might have written to get the required number of words for their essay.

I don't see AI making good content, ever. If that changes, I'll re-evaluate my position.

In other words, shitty content is shitty no matter who created it.

One also needs to consider that all AI content has still ultimately been created by humans at some point, and that's where things get murky.

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[–] Buddahriffic@lemmy.world 1 points 23 hours ago

It will always be an arms race. If someone develops a new style that doesn't look like AI, then it's only a matter of time before an AI model can generate that style.

And the future I see for this arms race is eventually it will be better than humans at producing art that doesn't look like AI.

I'm at the point where I think AI generated shit should be judged on its own merit rather than for whether or not it's AI because eventually we won't be able to tell from other factors and any attempts will end up hurting humans more than the AIs (because they have no feelings to be hurt and will just continue while some portion of the humans will get discouraged and stop bothering to try).

Plus, at least with programming, saying code sucks because it's AI generated is weak. If a code submission is shit, there will be technical reasons that it is shit that have nothing to do with who (or what) wrote it.

[–] urushitan@kakera.kintsugi.moe 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

artists will start to create things that deliberately do not look “like they’re AI”.

Arguably though this is how new art styles are often created. What is the current safe, trendy art gets challenged. Andy Worhol painted a grid of Campbell's tomato soup cans which is considered an important piece of American Modern Art. I'm certainly not saying "an upside to AI is that it will force artists to be more creative" anything, moreso that as you said, a pattern of artists rebelling against the norm is a historical cycle rather than something new AI will bring on.

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[–] sepi@piefed.social 4 points 1 day ago

A lot of people are dumb as hell, and it really shines through every time humanity comes up with something new, good or bad.

[–] victorz@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

What an amazing artist. Wow! So many great works. 🤯

[–] zerosouls@piefed.world 0 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Can someone explain what an open source comic artist is?

[–] Lettuceeatlettuce@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Not only are his comics CC, his entire artistic workflow is built on FOSS. His art tablet runs Linux, he uses Krita for digital painting, his fonts and brushes are FOSS too, and he provides them free of charge for anybody to download.

He also provides free tutorials and guides on his setup and workflow, and advice one how to start using FOSS as a professional artist.

[–] FEIN@lemmy.world 3 points 22 hours ago

based fossmaxxing

[–] Grimy@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago

His comic is open source. Might seem like a moot point seeing as how most comics can be seen on the web for free but it lets people use it for other stuff. From what I understand, a few of his comics have been turned into short animations and things like that. Kind of cool tbh.

[–] egerlach@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 day ago

I think it's in reference to image zooming in on bottom of posted comic: "license: Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 4.0 International"

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