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cross-posted from: https://lemmy.ca/post/68868025

Since quite a few years back, it's been quite commonplace in fantasy anime and manga to represent casting magic as some kinds of 2D circles or geometric figures with patterns, possibly multiple ones, as in the image on the right (Frieren). I see this idea used in almost all – if not all – anime and manga now.

It hasn't always been that way though. Older anime and manga used other and different kinds of representations, say from blinking stars (image on the left, Majokko Megu-chan) to smoke, or even just sound effects.

I'm just curious: does anyone have any info or links to share about how this "2D representation" came about and why it's become so popular? Cheers!

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[–] anon6789@lemmy.world 11 points 3 days ago (1 children)

TVTropes doesn't have anything listed as the origin, but it has a ton of examples if you want to go back in some of the media and see how far it goes back.

The reasoning they give to its popularity is that floating text is easy to animate, can be very flashy for little effort, and can be used as a plot device, with either characters needing time to draw runes, or people refining/debugging their spells, and having something observable to show off the magic power level or the effective range of spells. Basically, it's a really cool, easy, and cheap way to make magic look badass.

[–] pglpm@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Thank you for the link! I had not thought about the computer-graphics factor, and that makes absolute sense for the increase in popularity of this graphic device.

[–] anon6789@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

My pleasure! This has been one of those things I've often wondered but never remembered to research myself.

[–] nyan@lemmy.cafe 2 points 2 days ago

As someone's already said, the concept of magical circles/diagrams goes way, way back. But the earliest example I can think of in anime is The Slayers (the first season, which would have aired in the mid-1990s). The interesting bit there is that only a few spells (I think Burst Rondo was one) create patterns there, and when they do show up, they're on the ground, not in front of the caster.

The earliest example I can think of of a magic circle in a JRPG is in the SNES version of Chrono Trigger, where one appears—on the ground again—in a scene where one character is attempting to summon the Big Bad. It's part of the background graphic. Putting something like that in the combat system would have been taxing for the consoles of the era, so if there are any older examples, they're probably also handled as background graphics.

(This is possibly the geekiest post I've made in, um, at least a week?)

[–] pelya@lemmy.world 6 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Magic circles are all started in 13th century with Kabbalah, and then every kind of text on demon summoning featured esoteric letters arranged into a circle. What's interesting is that the historical alchemy did not use magic circles, but invented a crap-ton of new symbols, subsequentlly adopted in texts on demon summoning.

Surprisingly, DnD does not mention magic circles at all, and in the old fantasy literature (Tolkien, Zelazny, Le Guin etc) the magic is more like voice commands to your Google Assistant, or instinctive abilities like breathing fire - no circles are necessary.

And I guess anime draws magic circles because they look good on screen. Overlord even stacks several circles for an impactful magical sphere.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kabbalah

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Key_of_Solomon

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Lesser_Key_of_Solomon

[–] pglpm@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 day ago

Indeed, they look good and are easy to make with computer graphics; I hadn't thought about that!

Yeah circles and other 2D patterns – or simply plain writing – do have very ancient origins. I think all cultures in their early stage attributed a magic character to drawing and writing, which are inherently 2D activities. This is also reflected in other anime/fantasy common themes, like the item that comes to life because something has been written on it (golem), or the creature that gets increased powers because someone gives it a name...

[–] Sabata11792@ani.social 2 points 3 days ago

Ok google, cast fireball.

[–] Auster@thebrainbin.org 4 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Not directly related to anime but to representations of magic in general, but this reminds me of the speed up spell "haste" in Final Fantasy II (PSP) and Final Fantasy X. In FFII, iirc no glyph appears, and the character gets so fast that in the initial peak, he/she runs off to one side of the screen and come back at the other. In X, a glyph appears, but it is a spherical clockwork-like glyph instead.

In a more recent work, now back at anime, magic used by humans in Dragon Raja has audio and visual representations, the voice of the caster distorting, a mist coming out of the caster's moth iirc, and both this mist and the eyes of the caster glowing.

Dragon Raja, apparently making 2D animation in a 3D software, probably is what allows this non-glyph type of representation. By extension, FFX using a 3D engine probably is what allows and even facilitates this type of 3D glyph instead. And FFII, though 2D, is from before the glyph trend, thus preserving the old style.

And this makes me think, maybe the 2D glyphs are used in manga as a way to make easier to represent magic in a purely 2D and static medium, and this ends up causing a habit which evolves to a culture over time.

Curious Archive has a recent video on representation of magic btw, though iirc it's a Nebula exclusive. =/

[–] pglpm@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 day ago

I completely missed the connection with computer games (I'm not a gamer), thank you! Probably computer graphics pushed the device to both games and anime.

[–] FiniteBanjo@feddit.online 4 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (2 children)

I wonder if it became popular around the time of Full Metal Alchemist.

Manga Authors have been taking more inspirations from western myth and folklore than they did 40 years ago, particularly the Alchemists who were fond of sophisticated patterns and diagrams, as well as celtic runes and even some Chinese sorcerors.

[–] Unboxious@ani.social 5 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I know Cardcaptor Sakura was doing it long before FMA was, but I doubt they were the "first" either.

particularly the Alchemists who were fond of sophisticated patterns and diagrams, as well as celtic runes and even some Chinese sorcerors.

I'm sure that's a huge part of it.

[–] AntiBullyRanger@ani.social 1 points 3 days ago

Less about fondness, more about keeping secrets secret. If the entire planet is trying to synthesize immortality, wouldn't you want to keep the secret to yourself and peers? Espionage and theft will always exist. But cryptography deters adversaries from learning your notes as quickly. Alchemists used sophisticated means to keep secrets secret.

Magic formulae is no different.
If everyone can cast «gun,» everyone will cast «gun» e-vry-time.
Now «fold» my laundry pretties.
@FiniteBanjo@feddit.online

[–] e0qdk@reddthat.com 1 points 4 days ago

I'm not sure where it came from, but FMA also came to mind for me too...

[–] Sanctus@anarchist.nexus 3 points 3 days ago

Didnt this come from Final Fantasy graphics?

[–] HubertManne@piefed.social 3 points 4 days ago

For me I think of wheel of time. manipulating the pattern and such.