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[–] ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world 83 points 2 weeks ago (5 children)

When it's about cars, the "think of the children" machine suddenly breaks.

[–] kingofras@lemmy.world 18 points 2 weeks ago

Come on. Electing pedophile presidents ring a bell?

[–] MolochHorridus@piefed.social 12 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] IllNess@infosec.pub 11 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

These fucking people always uses "think of the children", religion, and the Constitution for their own perspective but suddenly dismiss it when it comes to feeding children, children safety and freedom of speech of speech they don't like.

They are hypocrites and they don't care that they are.

[–] dreadbeef@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 2 weeks ago

Disarming the rich and powerful won't ever happen. Disarming queer then black then poor folk will.

[–] Zachariah@lemmy.world 8 points 2 weeks ago

No, it just switches to “ten points each” mode.

[–] LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net 6 points 2 weeks ago

And ironically it's one of the few cases where it's a legitimate argument since the kids are actually being killed instead of merely exercising their autonomy in a way someone doesn't like.

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[–] MalReynolds@piefed.social 33 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Parent Drivers: Sacrificed their free time, because now they have to fucking drive their kids everywhere. Once kids above a certain age could roam wild (pros and cons there, but on the whole a good thing IMO) and just come back for dinner.

[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 6 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

My kid’s school pays parents $50 a month to drive them to school because there’s not enough bus drivers

[–] No_Maines_Land@lemmy.ca 13 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

$50 / 4.33 weeks / 5 days = $2.31 per day.

The official mileage rate for Ontario (my province) is $0.655/km.

This only makes sense if the drive is < 3.5km per day total.

Assuming this is trip chained (no extra mileage because of the detou, like a drop and back) that's 1.75km per drop/pickup.

Minimum distance for bussing of gr 3+ in my area is 2.4km.

This scheme does not pay parents to drive children to school, it only reduces the burden.

[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 5 points 2 weeks ago

Yes, it’s very stupid. I agree.

[–] ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net 22 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

To be fair, kids are not allowed to do most of those things because people are scared of pedos, not cars. 40 years ago we already had cars but I was allowed to disappear for whole days without anyone complaining. Now kids can't go to the playground alone even if they don't have to cross any roads.

[–] HetareKing@piefed.social 28 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

That too is caused by car-centric design, though. It's not as though there were no pedos before there were cars, of course, but when a city isn't primarily designed around cars, there tend to be a lot more people outside, making it much harder to drag a child into an unmarked van.

[–] ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net 19 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

This has nothing to do with design or actual crimes. People are scared because the media is scarring them. The numbers of abductions are actually dropping but people are more and more scared because child predators were made into the bogeyman of the XXI century. It's a well known fact that crime perception in US does not align with actual crime statistics. Cars have nothing to do with it.

[–] HetareKing@piefed.social 11 points 2 weeks ago

Sure, but the media can only scare people if they can imagine it being true. It's a lot easier to imagine someone who would do their children harm actually going through with it and succeeding when the kids are wondering around suburban cul-de-sac hell where the only other people are zooming past in a car.

[–] jtrek@startrek.website 5 points 2 weeks ago (5 children)

Jane Jacobs wrote about this in like the 1960s. More regular people on the street makes people feel safer. It probably actually makes people safer, too.

So, yes, car-first culture makes crime and fear worse. A local neighborhood with people walking about doing their business is safer than one where people just drive, park, and leave.

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[–] xylol@leminal.space 2 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

I was going to mention that none of the streets have changed where my parents live from when I grew up but it does seem much sketchier. There's more roaming homeless people from nearby freeway encampments, and cars appear to drive more dangerously or the drivers are distracted with their phones

[–] ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net 5 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

It's all very anecdotal but where I lived you could get from my apartment building to the playground without crossing any streets. All kids were just running around unsupervised starting at 6-7yo (for me it was closer to 5yo). The entire playground was just communist style metal constructions. I cut myself on rusty nails, was hit by a metal swing and twisted my ankle while jumping off the top of a slide. Today the entire playground was replaced by wooden, safe toys and I can't imagine kids playing there unsupervised. Times have changed. It's simple as that.

What I had:

What kids have today:

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[–] f314@lemmy.world 10 points 2 weeks ago

Not in my country. All the things on the left are still true, but predators isn’t really something parents are (or need to be) worried about. Also, there are a lot more cars now than 40 years ago.

[–] Axolotl_cpp@feddit.it 3 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

In my country it's true the fear of both cars and pedos and arguably, cars made it worse because now there is less people around that can prevent any pedo from acting- there aren't many pedos but the fear is there.

Our cities were not designed around cars like in the USA.

[–] mabeledo@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago

I don’t know where you live, but I can assure you that parents are generally more concerned about traffic than pedophiles.

[–] ChristerMLB@piefed.social 22 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

to back this up, the Netherlands keep scoring highest in UNICEF's child well being reports: https://www.unicef.org/innocenti/reports/child-well-being-unpredictable-world

[–] kevinsky@feddit.nl 10 points 2 weeks ago (14 children)

And it's not like there's no cars in the Netherlands either.

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[–] AnnaFrankfurter@lemmy.ml 19 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Um... In US car drivers have sacrificed lives of their own children....

[–] LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net 4 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Not sure it counts as a sacrifice if that's your preference.

[–] ICastFist@programming.dev 5 points 2 weeks ago

Big Oil cares not where the blood comes from, only that it flows

[–] ICastFist@programming.dev 15 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

On the right column: "high speed limits near schools", that's their brave sacrifice

[–] Evil_Incarnate@sopuli.xyz 8 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

"sometimes slow down near schools"

[–] purplemonkeymad@programming.dev 3 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

* if they feel like it.

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[–] Siegfried@lemmy.world 11 points 2 weeks ago

"Not driving ar maximum speed"

[–] jrubal1462@mander.xyz 10 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

To the right column, I would add, "Occasionally getting stuck behind a school bus, and not being allowed to pass as the stop every block". It's not much, but I think having 1 thing in the right column is a little bit funnier.

[–] chuckleslord@lemmy.world 12 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] jrubal1462@mander.xyz 5 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Fair point. I don't even need to click the link, my mother-in-law and my sister-in-law both drive busses. I thought drivers blowing past would MAYBE happen every few years but apparently it happens to them at least every week.

[–] Sidhean@piefed.social 2 points 2 weeks ago

They need to start fixing deck guns to the bus. The kids can run it! Teach 'em while their young!

[–] mosspiglet@lemmy.world 5 points 2 weeks ago

I can't let my child ride their bike on our street because of the assholes that speed down our road. I saw a biker almost get hit the other day by some idiot driver.

[–] Kolanaki@pawb.social 4 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

"I sacrificed my manliness to get a minivan to drive my kids around in. Whatchu talkin' 'bout?"

[–] unglueclass23@programming.dev 4 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Would be awesome if instead of govs pushing age verification and similar bullshit they would shift the focus to cars

[–] hayvan@piefed.world 5 points 2 weeks ago

That won't be profitable, or increase the amount of surveillance.

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Given the sheer size many trucks and SUVs have ballooned up into now, pedestrians should be armed with bricks crossing the street now.

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