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[–] turdburglar@piefed.social 2 points 6 hours ago

so, like, black sabbath? or something harder that the kids today listen to?

[–] borisentiu@feddit.org 2 points 16 hours ago

When you hit rock bottom, that's at least the point, where yo-...hm, wait a second...

[–] brainzzz@piefed.world 18 points 1 day ago

Am I the only moron who thought they meant music?

[–] zloubida@sh.itjust.works 16 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Nuclear is not a solution, evidence 836382.

[–] jenesaisquoi@feddit.org 3 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

It's also now more expensive than renewables. And it has always been less safe. There is literally no reason to build nuclear anymore. Renewables is the way to go. Cheaper, safer, makes Europe energy-independent, and also much better for the environment.

[–] Forester@pawb.social -1 points 16 hours ago (2 children)

You are patiently incorrect nuclear has in total killed approximately 4,000 people over the last hundred year period.

Renewables have killed closer to 180,000.

You can look it up. This is a direct apples to apples comparison. Chernobyl vs a couple of dam failures.

[–] jenesaisquoi@feddit.org 5 points 16 hours ago

Your comment is not correct.

From Chernobyl alone, and only in Belarus, Russia and Ukraine, and only from cancer, there have been 27'000 deaths. http://allthingsnuclear.org/post/4704112149/how-many-cancers-did-chernobyl-really-cause-updated

Then there's all of the other bullshit. 270'000 people irradiated in this accident alone https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kyshtym_disaster

Then there's all of the nice little things like the literal mafia dumping nuclear waste https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toxic_waste_dumping_by_the_'Ndrangheta

Or dumping it into the oceans https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ocean_disposal_of_radioactive_waste

Or Germany putting nuclear waste into plain metal barrels and putting them into a salt mine. Since metal and salt mix so well. https://www.dw.com/en/germanys-leaking-nuclear-waste-dump/video-69502364

[–] woelkchen@lemmy.world 0 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

Renewables have killed closer to 180,000.

Clearly one braking dam is an argument against wind turbines and solar panels. Oh the horror and deaths of free rooftop electricity to power ACs.

[–] Forester@pawb.social -1 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

How many times am I going to hear about Chernobyl or Three Mile Island?

[–] woelkchen@lemmy.world 2 points 13 hours ago

How many times am I going to hear about Chernobyl or Three Mile Island?

Until you realize that a water dam is very different from a solar panel.

[–] Photonic@lemmy.world 19 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Well, most of the time you would be right indeed. Uranium fuel rods are solid. But in a molten-salt reactor the fissile material is actually dissolved in molten salt, so it is a solution!

The more you know!

[–] Pip@feddit.org 19 points 1 day ago (7 children)

Wow, all that super stable, super reliable base load energy is just mindblowing!! Let's build more nuclear power plants!

[–] plyth@feddit.org 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

Let’s build more nuclear power plants!

If we had done that early on we wouldn't have global warming and there wouldn't be a cool water shortage.

[–] Vincent@feddit.nl 2 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago) (1 children)

It's more relevant what we should/can do now than what we should've done years ago, no?

I mean, obviously learn from history and not make the same mistakes, but it's also not necessarily the case that whatever would've been the solution back then, still is today.

[–] plyth@feddit.org 1 points 15 hours ago

If the same people are still in power and don't show acceptance of their mistakes or a willingness to correct them then it is relevant. There are solutions but it should be clear that they won't implement them.

[–] hanrahan@slrpnk.net 5 points 1 day ago (3 children)

but that's not true. Electricity only accounts for about 18% of emissons, its non renewable, you'd have a waste pile the size of a mountain, would have run out of fuel by now and you'd need to start decommissioning most of them and rebuilding them

There's a persist myth that some technology can just magic a fix here, nothing short of vastly reduced energy consumption, and lifestyle changes can work, 10000 aging nuclear reactors that need replacing ain't going to cut it.

an example ?

we'd get a 30% reduction in emissions if the richest 10% loved like the average European, not enough but an excellent start

[–] plyth@feddit.org 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Electricity only accounts for about 18% of emissons

You have to switch all processes to electricity or hydrogen like steel making or fertilizer.

Best results come from not abusing the third world and letting them have a future that allows them to only have two children.

[–] woelkchen@lemmy.world 0 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

You have to switch all processes to electricity or hydrogen like steel making or fertilizer.

Doesn't turn Uranium into a regrowing resource.

[–] plyth@feddit.org 1 points 13 hours ago

Others have mentioned breeder reactors. There is also Thorium. But it is only necessary to use the energy until renewables take over. The last 70 years and the next 30 would have been enough to prevent global warming.

[–] Waterpumpee@lemmus.org 1 points 1 day ago

another 30% if work from home was standard

[–] ThunderclapSasquatch@startrek.website 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Hi big oil, propaganda still paying off?

[–] Ibuthyr@feddit.org -2 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Fissile resources would have been depleted a long time ago if everyone would have went with nuclear. Don't be so daft.

No they wouldn't, plus the drive to nuclear would have pushed us to thorium and breeder reactors far sooner, using those we could power the Earth for billions of years, they can even use nuclear waste as fuel, don't be daft and actually educate yourself instead of carrying water for Big Oil.

[–] Cypher@aussie.zone 1 points 1 day ago

Accounting for breeder reactors your answer is only off by about 4 billion years.

It was a good guess though.

[–] fullsquare@awful.systems -5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

if you looked at what is going on, you would see that bulk of the missing energy in hungarian grid is supplied from czech and slovak grids, where half or so energy is supplied from nuclear powerplants that don't have such problems https://app.electricitymaps.com/map/zone/CZ/72h/hourly

not to mention the french, who put bunch of their reactors near shore and won't ever have problems with cooling, and so export 10-15GW every day

[–] woelkchen@lemmy.world 15 points 1 day ago (1 children)

not to mention the french, who put bunch of their reactors near shore and won’t ever have problems with cooling

About that: https://www.france24.com/en/france/20260712-france-temporarily-shuts-down-three-nuclear-reactors-over-heatwave

This happens literally every hot summer.

[–] fullsquare@awful.systems -1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

This is to avoid overheating river, seashore powerplants or those that rely on evaporative cooling towers don't have this problem. Also, it's as good time for maintenance as any other, and they still exported loads of electricity the entire time

[–] Ooops@feddit.org 10 points 1 day ago (1 children)

This is to avoid overheating river

You make this sound like they do it for laughs and giggles, not because increasing the temperature in already hot bodies of water even more literally kills wildlife.

[–] fullsquare@awful.systems 1 points 1 day ago

Plenty of thermal powerplants use cooling towers and don't have this problem, this is not a limitation of NPP

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[–] KyuubiNoKitsune@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 23 hours ago (2 children)
[–] jenesaisquoi@feddit.org 2 points 22 hours ago

Astroturfing bots

[–] mrmisses@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Begun, the water wars have πŸ˜”

[–] jenesaisquoi@feddit.org 2 points 22 hours ago

This is just the beginning.

This is the least heat and the most water we'll have for the rest of our lives.

[–] eestileib@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 day ago

Missed opportunity to use a nuke for peak Fallout.

Call it the Blew(up) Danube?

Meanwhile I want to nuke one measly hurricane and everyone looses their minds