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FYI: StarTrek.website is no longer federating with Lemmy.dbzer0.com (lemmy.dbzer0.com)
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Cross-posted from "FYI: StarTrek.website is no longer federating with Lemmy.dbzer0.com" by @Admin@startrek.website in !quarks@startrek.website

Crossposting here since y'all won't be able to see it now that they've defederated us.

If you're not familiar with how Lemmy/the Fediverse works, basically everything you read at StarTrek.website is hosted by us, even if the content originated elsewhere. That means we are responsible for everything here and we have to decide if we are comfortable boosting content from other instances.

If you're curious, the final straw here was learning that db0 explicitly allows hosting discussions about hurting people, which needless to say goes against our instance values and we simply don't have the manpower to moderate that volume of content incoming from their server to a degree that we feel meets our quality standards, which left defederating as the only viable option.

In keeping in line with past trends we're announcing this because is is a larger instance and don't want to leave any of the crew confused as to why something may be missing.

I don't consider this a massive loss tbh. We already have !Risa@lemmy.dbzer0.com and !tenforward@lemmy.world was already more active than their whole instance. And I'm sure @Stamets@lemmy.dbzer0.com can provide the noxious lore of their instance if you're interested. The only loss would be not having members such as @Kirk@startrek.website running around running interference for DDoSers like @ptz@dubvee.org. Also Admiral Patrick was also an admin on their instance iirc so this is a clear retaliation as far as I'm concerned, even though we didn't actually do anything to AP.

But also

db0 explicitly allows hosting discussions about hurting people

What the fuck does this even mean? Can someone ask for an example? Is this about Luigi? IDFK...

Will this drama season never end? I want my free time back >_<

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[–] veniasilente@lemmy.dbzer0.com 39 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

db0 explicitly allows hosting discussions about hurting people

I mean if discussing how to defend yourself from capitalist / fasch / nazi opression counts as "hurting people", I guess we could take that as a badge of honour? We don't owe to our oppressors to put their welfare above ours!

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[–] ModernRisk@lemmy.dbzer0.com 37 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (3 children)

db0 explicitly allows hosting discussions about hurting people

Huh? Since when? Lol.

Don’t think DB0 as a whole ever allowed such a thing. We as an instance are heavily against hurting others (I mean we are against racism, hatred, Zionism, Nazism… you name it).

The discussion of Luigi is one that’s is actually needed to be had. The guy did something wrong, yes. But he had all the reasons for it. The industry hurts (and kills) thousands of people just for their profit. Just once they got the “favor” returned.

Anyway, I have no idea what that particular instance is. So won’t be missing it either.

[–] Flatworm7591@lemmy.dbzer0.com 44 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Institution violence is fine and dandy apparently, because capitalism, but violence against your oppressors ... no way man!

[–] thal3s@sh.itjust.works 22 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

For all the talk about AdmiralPatrick’s unstable behavior, what gets me is this obsession with “no violence!!”

What do they think Elon did with USAID or what healthcare companies do every day? Capitalism is grinding us into dust and literally destroying the planet, but when someone suggests a French solution they’re the lunatics? Bro, pull your head out.

[–] lightnsfw@reddthat.com 14 points 3 weeks ago

Those guys are killing you by taking away the things you need to live. That's way different than shooting you! /s

[–] robot_dog_with_gun@hexbear.net 12 points 3 weeks ago

luigi didn't do anything wrong because he's not the shooter

the shooter did one thing wrong and that was not having the dingus for his gun so it would cycle properly with the extra weight of the suppressor.

[–] Mac@mander.xyz 9 points 3 weeks ago

Luigi has not been convicted of a crime.

[–] A404@lemmy.dbzer0.com 27 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

If you’re curious, the final straw here was learning that db0 explicitly allows hosting discussions about hurting people

[–] eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 17 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Scratch a liberal, and a fascist bleeds. And my family has a history of bashing fascists. I'm just partaking in my family tradition.

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[–] Assassassin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 27 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Uhh I'm fairly certain that Kirk isn't running interference for Patrick and ptz. All three are the same sad and pathetic guy, from what I understand.

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[–] ordnance_qf_17_pounder@reddthat.com 26 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Lol at their comments, they won't even give evidence to back up their claims. Just bot-like responses.

[–] Malyca@lemmy.zip 10 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

Didn't this have something to do with the tesseract drama? I think that guy has it out for the anarchists.

[–] eldavi@lemmy.ml 13 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

the tesseract guy was also an admin on startrek.website and he has it out for anyone left of him like the piefed creator does.

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[–] harrys_balzac@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Yes. db0 posted about the blocklist after updating Tesseract for the dbzero instance, basically putting it on blast (as they should have).

The dev also turned their home page into a ddos enabler, using visitor browsers to send 2000 requests to the dbzero instance.

Odds are good that this same person was also running the st.w instance.

[–] Wobble@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 3 weeks ago

That is unhinged behaviour and that sounds explicitly malicious and WE should defederate from hostile instances that target our infrastructure.

I'm sure DDOSes are a crime in the jurisdiction they are in and in whatever value system they respect.

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[–] RickyRigatoni@piefed.zip 26 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I'm genuinely trying to think of the last time I saw a post from startrek.website and drawing a blank.

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[–] ScoffingLizard@lemmy.dbzer0.com 21 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

There are a lot of people questioning their decision. The admin refuses to provide proof.

Good riddens. 🤷‍♂️

[–] Draconic_NEO@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

I'm sure that admin is Admiral Patrick's alt. There are signs that they share the same sentiment as him. I kind of knew he wasn't going to just leave the Fediverse entirely.

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[–] nimble@lemmy.blahaj.zone 20 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

I tried asking for examples and this was the response i got

They have a right to operate however they see fit, and we have strict rules about linking to other instances with the intent of shaming someone or influencing their policy. If you have questions about dbzer0's policies I recommend you take your questions to them.

Which is funny because now i see your post and you don't seem to know what you did and they refuse to share examples :/

[–] Passerby6497@lemmy.world 17 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

we have strict rules about linking to other instances with the *intent of shaming someone or nfluencing their policy

That sounds like this is retaliatory action for db0 calling out AP for being a shitlord and demanding the censorship gets rolled back in Tesseract.

After all, db0 shamed and tried to influence policy for a turd who wanted to control what their users could even see.

[–] goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org 11 points 3 weeks ago

Almost like there isn't a reason just spite or pettiness.

Especially as the reasoning of extra moderation needed would only be on the db0 side unless those admins of startrek wanted to curate what federates

[–] ArkyonVeil@lemmy.dbzer0.com 15 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (5 children)

It is always disappointing. Condoning violence is never acceptable. Unfortunately for us, news after new after news article, we see those who protest peaceful through speech have senseless violence imposed on them. They did not ask to be murdered.

The ones that asked, have 24/7 news coverage. But it's okay because they say "it's concerning".

So now that some guy had enough and imposes justice that the law could never give. Through his actions paid one life to save hundreds?

True, it shouldn't have come to that. True, the soulless husk in a thousand dollar tie should've been put to prison. But violence is the speech of the oppressed who see no other way to fight back.

It's just okay to kill through oppression, because it's "official", "legal" and "their fault".

Luigi is not a hero through the man he allegedly killed. He is a hero because he represents the fury of the people.

In our side, we welcome discussion on solving the problems that we hear about on a daily basis. But turning a blind eye while people are butchered right in the open will not help anyone.

[–] robot_dog_with_gun@hexbear.net 16 points 3 weeks ago

Condoning violence is never acceptable.

sure it is. I condone Iran's strikes on US military bases and ships. I condone Palestinian violence against their oppressors. I condoned that guy punching the nazi richard spenser. I retroactively condone a shitton of war violence, mostly against the US other than world war 2.

and you condone some or all of that too.

[–] ScoffingLizard@lemmy.dbzer0.com 15 points 3 weeks ago

Literally every country I know of has a military. Police carry weapons. Sometimes people need to physically defend others. Violence ia culturally accepted everywhere. You should see the rampant soldier worship in the US.

What fanatasy world exists where there is never a reason for violence?

This is some stupid smear campaign. Examples or they can fuck off.

[–] naevaTheRat@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 3 weeks ago

What do you mean? Violence is acceptable or even good in many cases.

What do you call it when someone hurts or damages an attacking person until they stop?

Violence and the capacity to direct it underpins all power in society for good and ill. If you are not protected by it then you are vulnerable to anyone who is willing to use it. Ideally you don't have to resort to violence but that doesn't mean that when you do it's bad.

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[–] darcmage@lemmy.dbzer0.com 14 points 3 weeks ago

What a weird stance to take when the internet is full of people talking about wishing death on the fat orange monkey and no one bats an eye but something obscure on this instance gets their panties in a bunch.

[–] robot_dog_with_gun@hexbear.net 14 points 3 weeks ago

clearly startrek.website are fake fans. star trek plots are full of justified violence.

[–] raspberry_confetti@lemmy.ml 12 points 3 weeks ago

Bye, felicia

[–] Florn@hexbear.net 9 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

Damn it's a tankie quadrad now

[–] robot_dog_with_gun@hexbear.net 11 points 3 weeks ago

anarchists have been tankies for a couple years now

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[–] deadbeef79000@lemmy.nz 9 points 3 weeks ago

Admiral "the cunt" Patrick shitting in his own pants again.

[–] gedfromgont@piefed.ca 9 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

Startrek.website was the first instance I chose years ago coming from Reddit.

I abandoned it because I noticed mods (or admins?) deleting seemingly random stuff and opinions without much explanation. Took me a while to catch it because I remembered seeing this one post and then later in the day it was just gone, no reference to anything in the modlog.

Obviously just anecdotal evidence and my own subjective experience, but I had Startrek.website on my personal blocklist ever since. I see now that wasn't transferred when I made this account on Piefed, ah well, here we go again.

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[–] Draconic_NEO@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 3 weeks ago (8 children)

I knew the story wouldn't end with him taking down his own instance. Either it was going to be brought back or he had another one.

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[–] DoucheBagMcSwag@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

"Hurting people"

What kind of people? 👀

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