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Every single party involved in this headline is so utterly untrustworthy that I don't know what to do with it.
I wouldn't be surprised if Israel is fabricating the intelligence to spur Trump towards annihilation
There we go again with the bothsidism bullshit
Yeah there is an element of that, but I don't think it's entirely controversial to say that it all gets old very quickly.
Critical thinking takes work and research, which is fine for a specific topic or when you're reading something with existing context like something historic... but keeping on top of something where all the belligerents are pushing out narrative on a daily basis becomes fucking soul-destroying to fact-check and evaluate.
I don't think this is a "both sides" fallacy. It's just being super fed up of the constant shitslinging and media manipulation.
It is alwqys a bothside fallacy when you you equate the agressed and aggresor
Remind me again which of Israel, Iran and the US are aggressor and agressed ?
Seems to me both terms apply to all 3, at which point OP seems to me to be utterly correct. All 3 are bad.
I would care less if they werent holding the world economy to ransom
Israel and the usa stsrted the war they are the agressor, iran did not start the war they are the agressed. Your bullshit rhetoric is like talking sbout how france was bad in thr colonies thry colonized when talking anout nazi germany occupation of France
Holding the world economy hostage is the only way iran has for his civiliztion to not be destroyed and survival of the stste itself. I am not a selfish person who only thing about my self while my country support the war of gression
I was merely talking about trustworthiness, not about anything else. But you are right, there is no comparison of the levels of untrustworthiness of the two aggressors in the sentence, with the defending country. Iran has their own share of issues but there's no doubt as to who the bullies are in this specific case.
With the rhetoric of none are untrustworthy. It easy to blame both for the lack of solution which is a problem
The people we are at war with keep trying to kill us.
I mean... If anything it's the opposite here. The US is at war with Iran, and by trying to kill Trump they're probably attempting to stop the war by killing a single individual. So the "us" that you're referring to includes only Trump in this case.
Have you considered that in fact it was meant as a thought Trump might have, his amazement and feeling of unfairness that a power he is bombing and actively targeting the leadership of might reply in kind.
The Trolley Problem
The people we want to sign our peace plan, don't like it when we kill them.
He just had their leader assassinated and is threating to do it again.
Don't act surprised if Iran decides to play the same game.
Exactly, do I think this would be good? No. Would I feel like the US has any grounds to cry foul if Iran assassinated Trump from the perspective of a US citizen? How could I? Where do I even begin to construct the accusation against Iran without it becoming immediately hypocritical..?. and this is the alarming problem with the US government.
To be honest I think most USians would breathe a huge sigh of relief, even if it’s just quietly, in private.
The full-bore-psychos might see him as a martyr though 😬
The only way Trump is remembered in even a slightly positive light is if he is martyred. Killing Trump would be the best thing for Trump's ideology one could possibly do.
Trump alive is a constant reminder of how stupid Trumpism is, how incompetent and how violently incurious it is.
No, sorry, he will NEVER be seen as a martyr. A martyr's death is not met with song and celebration. If anything, it would make me respect the Iranians more.
And any MAGA attempts to paint him as a martyr will be met with jeers, like Charlie Kirk's "martyrdom."
Here's the thing: MAGAs don't do martyrs well. That takes caring about the person, and keeping their light and inspiration alive. The most basic problem with MAGAs is that they are all Sociopathic, and don't care about anyone but themselves. They don't understand caring, inspiration, etc. A person's value is utilitarian, not inspirational. Kirk's value was in recruiting and indoctrinating young conservatives, and once he assumed room temperature, he became useless.
His concubine has tried to keep his light alive, but only because she's milking his memory for as much cash as she can grab. That strategy is dying, so she'll soon announce some new revenue path, a podcast or a show on one of the new MAGA channels.
Why wouldn't they? That's only ONE problem with MAGAs - they are so stupid, that they don't understand that the same weapons that they use on others, can be used on them as well.
I guarantee that if Iran tries to kill Trump, he's going to scream "IT ISN'T FAIR!!"
Ah yes, the secret plot to assassinate Trump. Highly confidential, only known to officials with the top clearance. Good thing Israel found out and warned him.
You can tell they're serious about it because that's a rather large sign and I bet they had it specially made.
I'm sure the intent there is to keep the peace process running smoothly.
Funnily enough theres just as much of a chance that its either an Israeli plot or israel just made it up to scare trump...
Can't really trust trump or Netanyahu at all
I wonder if there’s some Iranian bureaucrat crunching the numbers and finding out that assassinating Trump is the most cost effective way to complete the peace process
Count on it. Most of the Iranian high command are PhDs. They're much smarter than MAGAs.
Just the Iranians?
I find that hard to believe.
If it's from Israel then I'm sure it's true and they're not trying to manipulate trump into dancing and juggling for them yet again. /s
This is one of those situations where you have to monitor an elder so he doesn't get scam called but he's the potus so you actually can't do that. Kind of fucked.
Israel shared intelligence with US of Iranian plot to create a nuclear weapon in two weeks as well.
It was also bullshit, but the demented rapist fell for that one too. He’s really fucking stupid.
Chances are this one was real given the fact Iran announced they were going to kill Trump, and they put up literal building sized banners saying they are going to kill him.
Stuff like this is actually really common.
World leaders constantly have a bounty on their heads or some plot working against them by some enemy regime or extremist group. When a country finds out a plan to take out a world leader in an allied country, they go straight to the targeted country with what they have. That way, if the latter country finds some plot to take out the former country's leaders, they'll return the favor.
I know Lemmy is irrational when it comes to this stuff, but it's pretty standard. Other countries do the same all the time.
Um yeah preeeeetty sure Iran said that part out loud on social media a while ago, but oh yeah totally bibi is totes trying to help out Shitler with this info.
Wonder what his angle is?
if only we should be so lucky 😪
I'm not going to help you Iran. But I'm also not going to stop you.
So there is no plot after all