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[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 24 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Time for the four stage strategy:

Stage 1: Nothing's going to happen.

Stage 2: Something may be going to happen but we should do nothing about it.

Stage 3: Maybe we should do something about it, but there's nothing we can do.

Stage 4: Maybe there was something we could've done, but it's too late now.

I reckon we're about at stage 3 on this one. Still, at least us Europeans won't have to put up with any more heatwaves.

[–] anarchy79@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago

I'm at stage 5

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[–] zifk@sh.itjust.works 51 points 2 days ago (7 children)

"In a study that has yet to undergo peer review..." tells you all you need to be concerned about for right now. AMOC is a very complex phenomenon and not easy at all to model. All conclusions should be properly vetted before becoming actual news.

[–] Taldan@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

There have been dozens of studies indicating issues with AMOC, but because the latest one has yet to be peer reviewed we should do nothing and ignore all the warning signs

IDK, maybe just this once we act early. What's the worst that happens, we reduce pollution a bit? We invest too much into scientific research?

[–] zifk@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 day ago

I get that it's easy to to jump to conclusions online but you literally have me all wrong. I work in researching carbon sequestration. As already mentioned in a different comment reply, I'm happy that people are researching AMOC and the consequences its weakening will bring. But, there's a very big difference between saying, "AMOC is weakening and may collapse at some point if things don't change", and "we're already past the point of no return". One is a helpful statement, the other just drums of despair, which isn't a helpful emotion for tackling climate change.

If you look at the pre-print, its written to my eyes in a somewhat unscientific manner relative to most other climate publications, and so I kind of doubt its rigor. If you want an in-depth review, https://www.annualreviews.org/content/journals/10.1146/annurev-marine-040324-024822 presents an update article on why exactly making this sort of conclusion is difficult.

[–] WolfLink@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 day ago

You can also go find the article and read it and judge it for yourself.

[–] discocactus@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Thing about it is, something will happen. Complexity aside. If it changes, the likelihood of a bad outcome is significant.

[–] AlteredEgo@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Any dramatic change in nature is almost always bad change, chaos is extremely bad for many parts of civilization.

[–] abbadon420@sh.itjust.works 23 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Nah... this is 2026! You can just say things now! Go back to the 90's with your scientific integrity, party pooper.

[–] hneerqe@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago

I'm sure gizmodo has it covered

[–] Derpenheim@lemmy.zip 10 points 2 days ago (1 children)

The AMOC has been in a lot of trouble for years now. Ironically, it was the cleaning up of shipping cargo oil that may have put the final nail. We stopped using a fuel that emitted SO2 into the atmosphere, but that SO2 actually ended up as a sort of shielding from the full effects of the greenhouse effect happening elsewhere over the Atlantic. Without it, temperatures this year and last year absolutely soared

[–] zifk@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 days ago

Oh definitely, there's a lot of troubling outcomes and I'm glad the research is being done. I just think news reporting on unreviewed results is good for nothing other than fear mongering. And it's not like that has been effective for other consequences of climate change. Giving people more reasons to 'give up' won't help solve problems.

[–] abc@suppo.fi 0 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

But it's amazing for clickwhoring.

[–] NeilNuggetstrong@lemmy.world -2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

In my groundbreaking (yet to be peer reviewed) research, Ive found evidence of the Moon being 98% Gouda cheese. The remaining 2% is actually avocado toast

[–] Redjard@reddthat.com 2 points 2 days ago

We need to blow up the moon so millenials can afford rent.

[–] grue@lemmy.world 23 points 2 days ago (2 children)

I've been saying it's imminent for a while now, because I've been seeing studies about this come out for years and it seems like every one revises the estimate to be earlier.

[–] anarchy79@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

Can the crash and burn of civilization HAPPEN ALREADY?!?

THE SUSPENSE IS FUCKING KILLING ME JUST DO IT FFS

[–] SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org 9 points 2 days ago (2 children)

The scientists probably thought we would heed their warnings and reduce our rate of emissions. Those poor fools.

[–] anarchy79@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] anarchy79@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago
[–] grue@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago

Either that or they were subconsciously erring on the side of not seeming alarmist.

[–] MJF@thelemmy.club 21 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Hey! I've seen this movie!

[–] baronvonj@piefed.social 15 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Two Days Before The Day After Tomorrow!

[–] marcos@lemmy.world 5 points 2 days ago (1 children)

AKA Yesterday

(All my troubles seemed so far away...)

[–] baronvonj@piefed.social 10 points 2 days ago (2 children)

pst .. it's actually today.

[–] Phantaloons@piefed.zip 3 points 2 days ago (1 children)

What's today but yesterday's tomorrow, Mr. Squidward?

[–] baronvonj@piefed.social 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

What if there is no tomorrow, there wasn't one today?

[–] No_Eponym@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 day ago

Dont know how we can find out, its always a day away

[–] marcos@lemmy.world 4 points 2 days ago

Oh, right, apparently I can't count to 2...

That makes more sense, because the troubles are right there.

[–] tal@lemmy.today 16 points 2 days ago (5 children)

Reducing emissions as swiftly as possible will be essential to prevent AMOC collapse and other catastrophic impacts of climate change.

1000009404

https://www.cnn.com/2026/07/06/europe/russia-fuel-crisis-ukraine-drone-attacks-intl-vis

Almost every Russian region hit by fuel crisis, as Ukraine escalates drone attacks

https://www.cnn.com/2026/07/07/middleeast/hormuz-tanker-iran-attack-intl-hnk

Iran strikes three vessels near Strait of Hormuz as Trump arrives at NATO summit

[–] GreenBeard@lemmy.ca 16 points 2 days ago (3 children)

It's ironic that our tendency for senseless violence may be the only thing that saves us from our tendency for ruinous unchecked greed and gluttony.

[–] tankfox@bookwyr.me 6 points 2 days ago

Are you Hubert J. Farnsworth? Because you speak in his voice!

[–] SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org 3 points 2 days ago

I have never read such an apt and absolutely brutal comment on humans. I tip my imaginary hat to you!

If everyone turned violent against the ruling billionaire epstein class it would certainly fix a LOT of problems.

[–] zd9@lemmy.world 6 points 2 days ago

How hilarious would it be if humanity averted the very worst effects of climate change purely through dumb, hateful war? I'm very well aware we're fucked as we're likely headed towards the SSP3 to SSP7 projections, but maybe all these wars will escalate to the point that we avoid SSP7+

[–] victorz@lemmy.world 4 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

I think it's already too late. It's already showing the same signs of collapse as the latest simulations, and in real life it's showing these signs an order of magnitude faster than in the simulations (decades instead of centuries).

[–] hneerqe@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago

hold your farts. think of those poor private jets and private yachts!

[–] Phantaloons@piefed.zip 1 points 2 days ago

why stop at Russian oil refineries?

oh no! Capitalism!

[–] SillyDude@lemmy.zip 11 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Who's ready for AMOC collapse and >5°C el niños?! Its gonna be a wild ride!

[–] cecilkorik@lemmy.ca 6 points 2 days ago

Are we going to end up with North American monsoon season or the Great North American Desert? Or maybe both at the same time! I'm so excited for all the novelty the climate future holds.

[–] zd9@lemmy.world 8 points 2 days ago

AMOC is extremely important because it spreads nutrients north and mixes cool water in the south, and its collapse will lead to extreme droughts in some areas, floods in others, extreme cold in others, and extreme heat in others, which will lead to agriculture collapse and food security issues, leading to more wars and migration, leading to even more wars, etc.

[–] Nonconfrontational@lemmy.ml -4 points 2 days ago

Next they'll tell me that Antarctic sea ice is past the point of no return! Make up your minds climate nerds!