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[–] Spacehooks@reddthat.com 42 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Fuck yeah.

Imagine if america built solar panels instead of bomb negotiation. But the american admin seems hell bent in making the worst choices. Good on china for showing how to do international policy.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 13 points 1 day ago

Imagine if america built solar panels instead of bomb negotiation.

[–] dessalines@lemmy.ml 25 points 1 day ago (7 children)

The US is going all in on the doomed oil and coal economy, and going to continue to use the pursuit of oil as a cause for war, until its too weak to do so. Meanwhile the PRC and countries allied to it are transitioning to the green energy future: solar, wind, nuclear fission and fusion.

The long-term trend will be that the countries that are able to harness more energy, will outpace those that don't. So soon it'll be the US and Europe playing catchup to Asia, Africa, and Latin America.

[–] scholar@lemmy.world 1 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

China isn't exactly transitioning, they added 78GW of new coal power plants last year and are building more this year. They installed massive amounts of solar as well because it's cheap and they need massive amounts of power.

[–] dessalines@lemmy.ml 8 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago) (1 children)

Yes they are. The proportion of clean to unclean energy is vastly increasing : https://ember-energy.org/countries-and-regions/china/ . There is a green energy revolution for the past few decades.

Also compared to the world average, the PRC is at 42% clean to the world average of 43%, while the US is at 9%. See the article I posted below.

2001 - 2025:

[–] scholar@lemmy.world 2 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

That's by percentage, if you look at absolute generation it looks more like this:

Coal is a smaller percentage of the total mix than in 2000 because they basically weren't using solar or wind at all back then. They are still increasing their consumption of coal in absolute figures by a significant amount.

[–] dessalines@lemmy.ml 11 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

Percentage / proportion over time is more pertinent for the term "transitioning" than absolute levels.

[–] scholar@lemmy.world -3 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

Solar and Wind started at 0.06% in 2001. That was 0.75TWh. In 2025 they made 21.83% with 2310.4TWh. That's a lot of electricity and explains why the other generation methods have gone down proportionally. This doesn't indicate a transition because the total generation has massively risen too. Hydro over the same period grew from 277.43TWh to 1397.06TWh, but by percentage dropped from 18.74% to 13.2% - I don't think anyone would argue that China is transitioning away from hydro.

For a transition to occur we would need to see a plateau and reduction in coal generation, not a 5x increase.

[–] zedcell@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 9 hours ago

China is still a developing nation, and its countryside is still being modernised and connected into the wider infrastructure framework of the urban centres. This requires constant expansion of the electricity grid and output. It is not a mature, developed nation with little need to expand energy production like vast chunks of Europe and the US.

[–] MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

as a ~~cause~~ excuse for war

[–] Horse@lemmygrad.ml 10 points 1 day ago (2 children)

while the correction is a fine one, comrade Dessalines is a communist, they are not downplaying the evils of the US empire


[–] manuallybreathing@lemmy.ml 1 points 17 hours ago

it's not a correction

A casus belli (from Latin casus 'occasion' and belli 'for war'; pl. casus belli) is an act or an event that either provokes or is used to justify a war.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casus_belli

[–] MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip 1 points 22 hours ago

Wasn't meant like that, but thanks.

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[–] thanksforreading@lemmy.ml 29 points 1 day ago

The EU should be taking notes

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