Selfhosted

I think [AI] tags would be good. That way a certain subset of members could just drive-by downvote without getting themselves dirty. [NOT AI] seems redudant since we've already defined [AI], but again for quick filtering purposes, I see no harm in both.

A mandatory [AI] tag? Sure.

A [NOT AI] tag? No, that's the default. Why normalise AI bullshit even further?

Yes, please. I don't like seeing a "neat handy application" only to find that 95% of it was coded by Claude, the fact of which is either buried, or not even mentioned until you visit the repo and see that it's the top contributor.

No tag for not AI.

Only AI tags needed, which helps remind people that slop should be warned against. We don't need to warn for slop free apps

I absolutely don't want Meta Tags in every titles. It makes reading the list of posts super annoying.

I also don't feel the need to know whether there's some AI commits, but I do want to know if a project is largely vibe coded. I don't have an objective metric on where this line could be drawn.

I think the status quo is kinda fine. Some commenter will point it out and will get enough upvotes to be visible on first glance. It's not perfect but good enough for me.

Either ban vibe coded projects entirely or ban vibe coded projects that have less than a year of history. If allowing "mature" vibe coded projects, require the tag.

Spaces like this become so much worse when "i made this last week look at the shiny ui 🎉🎉🎉🚀🚀🚀🚀🚀🚀🚀" projects that will never ever see any form of maintenance are allowed.

I feel like this could lead to discrimination and prejudice against ai users. It should have been implemented years ago.

Just ban AI already

Having the tags? Sure.

Making them mandatory? Only if we have 1.- an actual process to determine whether a tag is incorrectly applied (up to a respectable level of confidence) and 2.- an adequate, *enforceable+ punishment for infringers.

What does it mean for a project to deserve the [AI] tag? This matters, because you may have a lot of projects where a developer may think "no" and someone else thinks "yes". Some examples from my day job:

• Developer used AI to understand part of the codebase and suggest ways to accomplish goal. Developer incorporated that suggestion, though using their own knowledge deviated from AI's suggestion in parts. Developer wrote the code themselves. Is this project [AI] or [NOT AI]?
• Developer used AI to review existing (human-written) code for quality and security purposes. AI noticed some issues and proposed fixes. Developer reviewed and accepted them. Is this project [AI]?
• Developer knew they wanted to implement a feature, and while implementing it there was a boilerplate function. Developer asked AI to write this function, manually reviewed it, confirmed it worked, and added it to the codebase. Is this project [AI]?

In these examples the developer carefully reviews the AI's output, which I think distinguishes it from vibe-coded slop, which at least is what I want to ignore.

It's also worth noting that an open-source project may receive and incorporate a well-written contribution where the human developer used AI carefully like this. Unless they disclosed that they used AI, it may be unknowable to the project maintainers whether their project is [AI] or not, depending on how you define it. What tag should these projects use?

See, the problem with this is there’s no objective standard for validating whether somebody is telling the truth or not. So we can impose conventions that say you must tag something as being generated in a certain way, but that doesn’t mean that people are going to actually be forthcoming with the community.

This is a problem that we’re going to have to deal with not just when we’re talking about our self hosted builds, but almost anything that is mediated through a screen. So, if we can figure it out for here, I’d suggest that we tell everybody shortly thereafter; about it because it‘ll solve a lot of problems, in a lot of different places.

Bonus points if whatever we come up with can actually be self hosted.

Yes. Anything made, posted, modified, or output by AI should be tagged as such, always, without exception.

I think the reality is that people will downvote the AI posts, and that will incentivise people to not disclose it or outright lie. The other thing that came to mind here is the fact that I've been trying to set my RSS reader up to not show me anything if AI is mentioned. It turns out that I haven't been able to do that because it couldn't discern "AI" from "fair", "pair", "air" etc. but the sentiment was there because I'm sick of hearing about it, and I imagine a lot of people are. This could cause readers or whatever else is configured to block AI content to block the non-ai content too, just because it's mentioned. Additionally it does bring AI to the forefront, which doesn't help with that AI fatigue.

I think that unless you have some way to enforce accuracy, it's meaningless and AFAIK automatic detection tools are no better than chance and to my knowledge, getting worse.

An AI bot operator isn't going to tag their material as [AI], more likely than not they'd attempt to use [NOT AI].

I'd also point out that while lemmy doesn't (yet) support hashtags, any "tagging" would probably benefit from using the existing method using a #tag.

Ultimately, you need to ask yourself, is undeclared AI that goes undetected by the community a problem, or the new "normal"?

I'll note that I'm not a proponent of Assumed Intelligence and think that when the bubble bursts we're going to be in a world of hurt, but with a little luck the billionaires will have lost their shirts in the process.

I think this is a major over generalisation that misses the main point of why people don't want AI projects. The real questions are:

• Is this slop?
• Does a human understand all of this code?
• Did a human design this deliberately or is it completely derivative and uninspired?
• Will a human take responsibility for bugs that come up?
• Did a human write the docs?
• Will this be maintained or just a weekend project with no substance?
• Does this actually serve a purpose?

Idk how to address these things really. I could see the AI tag going both ways, but I do think it's painting with too broad a brush.

/r/selfhosted has an automod comment that creates a place to disclose how genAI/LLMs were used in the project and the post. I like that.

Please do! It's always my first question when reading new projects.

Absolutely.

I would love to see an [AI] tag, so I can easily hide it. Coupled with temporary bans in case of missing disclosure it would really sanitize the community

Yes please.

I feel it's a little dangerous, because it would give a false sense of security in [no-ai] projects.

We have all seen tons of projects 100% written without any AI that are very poorly coded and full of insecurities.

I hate it when the default state is turned into the negative. Every time I have to specify "unsweet tea" I feel the sands of my lifeforce slipping away.

What's the threshold for a tag?

Just add context as a top level comment or in the body text area. Someone can come in to clarify if the poster is missing it.

Even for a poster sometimes it's not obvious if there is any AI in the project. Example: Lutris, dev said he is adding Claude commits and will be scrubbing mentions of the tool from PRs. Sometimes AI is discussed but rejected.

It's easy to tell when a whole project has been vibecoded, but the grey zone of an existing project that may or may not have had slopcode added, is tougher for posters to discern.

Or you don't allow AI

I, like other respondents, don't care if AI is used, I only care if AI was trusted.

AI is a tool to enhance a workflow, and as long as a skilled human is reviewing it and fixing it, fine.

We would be better off defining a programmer's project vs an ametuer hour vibe coded monstrosity, but that won't ever really happen.

I know nothing about running a Lemmy instance, so I thought I'd ask. Does the Lemmy framework allow something like this:

spoiler

If so, maybe that'd be less annoying to some.

I agree with others who said AI tag for AI helped projects, no tags for normal projects.