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A software update to some Amazon delivery vehicles is automatically turning off the air conditioning after a few seconds if the driver is not in their seat, according to multiple Amazon delivery drivers who are complaining about the update online.

According to Amazon delivery drivers, the new update is for the Amazon EDV (electric delivery vehicle), the custom-built Rivian van. Delivery drivers say that this update automatically turns off the air conditioning in the van if the driver is not in the vehicle for more than 30 seconds. Drivers are complaining about the update as the start of the summer season, which can be particularly difficult and dangerous for delivery drivers.

“As many of you are aware, the EDVs just got a software update where if you are out of your seat for 30 seconds with the side door open, the AC switches off,” one Amazon delivery driver said in an online forum for drivers. “We all hate this obviously.”

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[–] scytale@piefed.zip 95 points 2 weeks ago (8 children)

“Rivian recently released a software update for Electric Delivery Vehicles that actually extends climate control for drivers,” the Amazon spokesperson said. “As a result, the AC now runs for up to 10 minutes after a driver exits the vehicle, ensuring a cool cabin when they return. The timer resets at every stop. The AC only shuts off if the driver sliding door is left open for more than 30 seconds — a battery conservation measure.”

So it doesn’t turn off the A/C as long as you shut the sliding door when you get out. I do understand that it’s a hassle to have to close the door after you grab the package at every stop. But you have to close the door anyway before driving. Although I’ve seen many times drivers just keep the door open the entire time they’re driving around a neighborhood with multiple stops.

On the other hand, maybe drivers do that because they are being timed by the second, so not having to close the door saves a second or two every stop.

[–] leftzero@lemmy.dbzer0.com 39 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

Yeah, I'm as much for Amazon burning down with Bezos locked inside as anyone else, but this one is actually reasonable.

You want to turn on your AC, close your fucking door, you damn maniac.

I think we all know why they dont close those doors no? Like its completely common knowledge at this point that delivery drivers get monitored down to the second and that if they dont save every bit of time possible they will get their pay cut or fired for not meeting quota. The solution to this is just an automatic door or curtain system that doesnt cost time to open/close but still keeps the hot air out.

[–] scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.tech 17 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

I can hear my dad yelling

CLOSE THE GODDAMN DOOR IM NOT PAYING TO COOL THE OUTSIDE

Ah, childhood.

[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 5 points 2 weeks ago

Me running the A/C with the windows down:

[–] setsubyou@lemmy.world 15 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Wondering how much the AC could even do if the door is left open. But maybe the hassle is also having to turn it on again every time?

[–] scytale@piefed.zip 7 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Yeah, I think it’s more energy-intensive to keep turning the A/C on and off again and again, but there’s definitely a point where it’s more wasteful if the door is kept open long enough and it’s more friendly to the battery (and environment) if you turn it off. But it’s a moot point here because as long as the driver is delivering that door will have to be opened again and again and they’ll need the cabin cool either way.

[–] Kushan@lemmy.world 7 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

The "turning thing on and off Uses more energy than just leaving it on" thing is largely a myth based on a complete misunderstanding of how most electronics work and a lack of understanding of thermodynamics.

Most electronics (even light bulbs) do have an energy spike at power on but the spike is measured in milliseconds (if that).

[–] scytale@piefed.zip 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Yes but there is an external factor involved here: leaving the door open for extended periods of time. If we’re talking about energy saving for the battery, and you can probably extend that to the environmental effects as well, at some point it’s more cost effective to turn the A/C off. I’m not gonna argue if 30 seconds is that point, people who know more can confirm that.

Now obviously what they are NOT taking into account is driver comfort and the fact they are literally being timed down to the second with their deliveries to the point they leave the door open just to shave off a couple of seconds on each stop.

[–] Kushan@lemmy.world 4 points 2 weeks ago

Yeah I'm...not disagreeing with any of that?

[–] Omgpwnies@lemmy.world 5 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Your AC turns itself off and on repeatedly through it's normal running cycle to prevent frost building up - your fridge and freezer does this as well.

[–] scytale@piefed.zip 2 points 2 weeks ago

Yes, but it does that with the doors generally closed most of the time. An A/C that has to keep turning on and off because it gets warmer immediately due to a door being open more than closed is different.

[–] EncryptKeeper@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago

AC units without inverters specifically

[–] IphtashuFitz@lemmy.world 5 points 2 weeks ago

I see plenty of Amazon vans driving around neighborhoods with the side door wide open…

[–] WhoIzDisIz@lemmy.today 4 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Maybe they should have something like those magnetic self-closing mesh curtains that go in front of open patio doors? Obviously something more solid than mesh - like clear plastic sheets, but it would provide a significant conservation of the cool air while allowing the quick in & out access the drivers need. Similar curtains (more like hanging strips & without the magnetics) are routinely used in the food industry for walk-in refrigeration & freezer units.

[–] Bluefruit@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago

A friend of mine delivers for Amazon now and hates it.

Can confirm, they expect so much of drivers. He is constantly told that he isn't fast enough doing over 150 packages every day.

[–] JokklMaster@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago

The door should be motorized, idk if it is though. When they came out I saw a video on the truck from Doug Demuro and I think when it's put in park the door from the cab to the cargo area automatically opens to save like a second per stop. So the side door could definitely have like a button you press when you get out to shut it while you walk away.

[–] PalmTreeIsBestTree@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

I do this job, so if you left the door open you would get fired, but every DSP is different and some are more lax. Some vans don’t even have cameras in them.

[–] floquant@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Couldn't they automate the door so it closes on its own?

[–] Zron@lemmy.world 4 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Next headline: Amazon driver suffocates to death after van door closes on their neck.

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[–] Miller@lemmy.world 91 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Is this update planned to extend all the way up the food chain to executive offices, rhetorical question of course. We all know the answer.

[–] skulblaka@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 weeks ago

Wouldn't matter if they're never in there anyway

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[–] FireWire400@lemmy.world 27 points 2 weeks ago

I didn't need a reason to continue not giving them money yet here we are...

[–] Badabinski@kbin.earth 27 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I saw a video where a guy just shoved a $1 carabineer into the door latch to defeat this.

EDIT: Here's the video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EF6VBnUla58

[–] fubarx@lemmy.world 6 points 2 weeks ago

Given how connected these cars are, I bet there's telemetry being collected on the state of that latch and how often the door is actually opened once the vehicle is stopped.

Another option is to put a weight in the driver's seat. But if vehicle is stopped, the door is open, AND there is weight in seat, they'll probably be able to tell. Plus, there are cameras pointed at the drivers.

One way is to have the vehicle turn on the AC remotely, BEFORE the driver enters the van. They have cameras on all sides and can check for that. Or through their phone and proximity sensing. This way, AC is off when nobody is inside, it conserves battery, and makes it still cool when driver steps inside.

[–] Etterra@discuss.online 12 points 2 weeks ago

Never expect humanity out of a corporate entity.

[–] Summzashi@lemmy.world 11 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

Nice of the headline to omit rather crucial info for the angry clicketyclicks. It only happens when nobody is in het car for more than 30 seconds AND the side door has to be open.

Like just close the door? That side door being let open is an INSANE waste of energy.

[–] fruitycoder@sh.itjust.works 14 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

That takes time and you get punished for how long you take.

Like listen people are pissing in bottles because they don't have time for a break, every other little thing is going to get ignored too

[–] Summzashi@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Ok that's obviously ridiculous. Still doesn't negate the fact that it's a massive waste of energy.

We're not even talking about closing the door btw, they just have to press the AC button again when they enter the car. That really can't be that big of a deal, let alone dangerous lol. Even fastening your seatbelt takes 5 times longer.

[–] luciferofastora@feddit.org 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

They'd be entering a hot car every time. That's what they're complaining about: The AC is supposed to keep it at a liveable temperature so they can get back, hop in and keep driving without being face fisted by the heated up cabin.

[–] Summzashi@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Really can't be that bad if the giant ass side door is open and you're only gone for a very short while each time.

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[–] SuiXi3D@fedia.io 11 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I can tell that you’ve never driven for Amazon.

It’s an even larger waste of energy to have to open and close that door hundreds of times a day.

[–] Summzashi@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I haven't. I also never will.

Can you explain how?

[–] SuiXi3D@fedia.io 7 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Your arms only have so much before they give. When you're pressed for time to the degree that you can't even find a bathroom, every second counts.

[–] Summzashi@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago

I mean you dont have to close the door, only press the AC button when you get back in the car, IF you've been gone for more than 30 seconds.

Your arms aren't going to give because you have to press a button lol. It takes not even a fraction of the effort of putting your seatbelt on.

Again; fuck Amazon. But at the same time this isnt unreasonable.

[–] Melobol@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I want to say it's not the feature that sounds insane, but what amazon requires the drivers to do.
I had a friend who applied to them and they gave him a description of out ~1000 deliveries needed a single shift.
Now that's what inhuman and not the auto ac off.

[–] Summzashi@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago

Both are true.

[–] FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 11 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Yeah, package delivery is a physically active and intense job, and even more so when you're stuck doing it for Amazon with their dystopian speed quotas.

Super shitty stuff. Let people have some fucking A/C.

[–] Summzashi@lemmy.world 4 points 2 weeks ago

You didn't read the article.

[–] adhdsergio@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago

"Make it shitty"

[–] danc4498@lemmy.world 5 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Amazon probably profited from this bug.

[–] Allero@lemmy.today 2 points 1 week ago

Update automatically turns off the air conditioning in the van if the driver is not in the vehicle for more than 30 seconds.

This is not a bug

[–] glitch1985@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Who said it's a bug? They save money on fuel costs by turning off ac.

[–] Venator@lemmy.nz 1 points 1 week ago

probably more that the vehicle can be run for longer without needing to charge

[–] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

What about putting up one of those curtains of plastic slats like they have in the walk-in coolers of restaurants ? That could help keep the heat in the cab portion while they're opening the door.

Yes, force the behaviour of closing the door while they're away from the truck, for energy savings and for security, and reinforce that with some training and reminders, but the added barrier could keep the coolness in the driver area just a bit better.

[–] luciferofastora@feddit.org 3 points 2 weeks ago

Yes, force the behaviour of closing the door while they're away from the truck

...while relaxing the inhuman quota expectations to actually afford them that time

[–] exaybachae@startrek.website 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Jerry rig door sensor.

Probably against the rules, but I'd do it anyway.

[–] Venator@lemmy.nz 1 points 1 week ago

it's probably a seat sensor, maybe could put a heavy package on the passenger seat...

[–] NauticalNoodle@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 weeks ago
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