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Full disclosure, I live in Africa and don't have a dog in this fight. I like proper discourse and it's alright if I and another person disagree on something, what is important is that we communicate and understand where the other is coming from. The ultimate goal is the satiation of needless and avoidable suffering for all minds.

I've only been on Lemmy for a few days but across any sub I've noticed any criticism of China or the CCP is met with immediate downvotes and anything remotely positive of the US or really any western country whatsoever meets a similar fate.

Anything pro-African is mostly neutral but in essence ignored, no upvotes, no downvotes, no comments.

Has anyone else noticed this? Am I completely off base here? And is there anything else here that seemingly gets downvoted automatically. It would be sad to see the fediverse and Lemmy be nothing more than just another echo chamber on the web.

Finally, I am posting this assuming it will also be downvoted to hell based on the title alone and that itself will be some monochrome of truth of the situation here.

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[–] umbrella@lemmy.ml 7 points 7 hours ago (2 children)

if you are african you definitely have a dog in this fight.

africa has been ravaged by western colonialism not unlike we were.

[–] ladnerlad@lemmy.zip 2 points 7 hours ago

China is currently doing soft-colonialism in huge parts if Africa. Both the west and China are still huge on colonialism, just in a modern form.

[–] Imperious_melange@lemmy.world 1 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago)

The west isn't doing much here now. We can concern ourselves with the past and not pay attention to what's happening right now but I wouldn't suggest it. China, India, Saudi Arabia are having a pretty active role in the day to day currently at least in east Africa. It's not all bad, and it's not all good. I will say that our politicians are extremely cheap and will sell billions of dollars of value here for only a few million deposited directly into their accounts to whoever is willing to pay.

[–] _aj@piefed.world 6 points 7 hours ago

Not really on topic - but a shoutout to https://baraza.africa/ one of the older pre reddit exodus instances.

[–] Yliaster@lemmy.world 9 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

The founders of the platform are tankies. Dessalines, for example, is a tankie that banned me for criticizing china.

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[–] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 10 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago) (1 children)

Anything pro-African is mostly neutral but in essence ignored.

This is sad.

I’m American, and I want the Fediverse to be Euro, Africa, South America heavy. Basically anyone but the usual suspects that dominate news. I want to see stuff from other countries.

I was fortunate enough to get to visit Tanzania, and it was great. It’d be nice if your continent took over the world. Please…


Anyway, be aware that many of the authoritarian shills actually live in the US, Western Europe or wherever. Some do not, but the bulk seem to.

They’re just terminally online.

They don’t know squat about what’s actually going on in North Korea or Iran or China, and they wouldn’t be here if they did because lemmy.ml is banned China, Iran, and obviously North Korea.


Talk to the Eastern European Fediverse folks.

They know precisely what the deal is. You do not hear them praising the Soviets, that’s for sure.

[–] ButtermilkBiscuit@feddit.nl 1 points 7 hours ago

Wild seeing it here in .world and other instances all the time. People are entitled to their opinions, but so many comments praising xi or putin are detached from reality. It's like those people don't realize that in those countries just speaking your mind against the regime is enough to get you and your family disappeared in an instant. Wow China has great cities this is true - if you say the wrong thing online they'll put you in a prison labor camp for decades. Ah yes pyongyang is a very clean city - 3 million people died of starvation there in the 90s, they're experiencing another famine RIGHT NOW. Do people not realize the reality or is it turfing?

[–] kandoh@reddthat.com 3 points 6 hours ago

I live in Africa and don't have a dog in this fight

You're the prize the dogs are fighting over

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 21 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago) (1 children)

Lemmy was made by communists, seeking to build an alternative to Reddit where communists will not be able to be fully censored. Federation also is similar to how the USSR was federated, and FOSS attracts the left. As such, many areas on Lemmy are going to be pro-CPC (and supportive of socialist states in general).

This isn't the case on every instance, though. Each instance has its own political leanings, some very anti-China and anti-communist in general. It depends on the moderation, federation practices, and focus of the instance itself.

Communists tend to be pro-African, especially the Alliance of Sahel States.

[–] JoeBigelow@lemmy.ca 5 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

The bit about censorship is cute given .ml and honestly .world as well, are both ban happy for any dissent.

[–] plutopos@lemmy.zip 5 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

But since lemmy is federated, those two communities cannot censor the whole website

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[–] ShinkanTrain@lemmy.ml 18 points 11 hours ago (3 children)

Lemmy was created by communists, for communists. It's gonna have communists in it.

[–] JoeBigelow@lemmy.ca 19 points 10 hours ago (4 children)

Yea but not the cool kind of communists, the lame kind of Communists.

[–] draco_aeneus@mander.xyz 7 points 10 hours ago (2 children)

All the cool communists are out in the real world, robbing banks or something.

[–] foodandart@lemmy.zip 13 points 10 hours ago

I though they were running food banks and offering legal aid to poor folks.

[–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 5 points 9 hours ago (2 children)

Anarchists. Those are anarchists your thinking of.

The communists are doing the thing they do best. Enjoying comfortable positions in western democracies.

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[–] Imperious_melange@lemmy.world 6 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

Is China actually communist though? Like is their government or economics actually communist? Also I don't think communism and China are one and the same. Finally all things should be open to fair criticism and discussion. There's no need to turn politics into religion2.0

[–] Thrawn@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 7 hours ago

First thing this is all purely personal opinion viewing stuff from outside and as a general interest in world history.

I am an American but I have lived outside the USA for a couple years and no it wasn't on a military base.

So with that said my personal interpretation is that China is still largely the same China as in ancient times and has decided to take several large chunks of both Communism and Capitalism and add those to the far far larger just continuing to do/be the same as they have for thousands of years.

To put it a different way, it is a case of fix what they feel was/is broken and keep doing all the things that work and from their point of view China has kept itself as one of the largest Nations in history for one of the longest times of any country.

So on the bad side you have things like them being willing to be extremely repressive is terms of censorship. Or the oppression of minorities they don't fall in line enough to the central control of the government. Or minimizing stories that damage their reputation like mining issues.

On the good side they seem to be able to at least partially consider long term large scale society value. At least from the point of view of engineering. The USA by comparison seems to exclusively only consider short term value. Often in terms of weeks or a financial quarter and occasionally the few year duration of a presidential or Senate term.

China also seems to care about improving the average life of it's citizens. This is a big deal and probably the most "Communist" thing. However that also goes along with them seemingly not just allowing but being perfectly happy to have some people have truly horrific lives as long as the baseline average is improving.

[–] bunkyprewster@startrek.website 2 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

For something created by communists, for communists - it's amazing how the loudest voice is people complaining about tankies.

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[–] Grail@multiverse.soulism.net 25 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

That's happening because you're on lemmy.world, which is connected to lemmy.ml. if you look at those pro-ccp threads, they'll be coming from lemmy.ml, the authoritarian socialist website.

My website isn't connected to .ml, so I don't see any of that nonsense.

[–] qevlarr@lemmy.world 11 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

Also, you can block the whole instance.

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[–] red_bull_of_juarez@lemmy.dbzer0.com 118 points 15 hours ago (16 children)

Some core developers of Lemmy are hardcore tankies and that attracts others.

Also, for someone from Africa it's weird to claim they are not involved in this. China is strategically investing in African countries. If your country has any mineral or other strategic resources, China is no doubt already there.

[–] Imperious_melange@lemmy.world 74 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago) (3 children)

Africa as a whole, much like India is waiting for the main players to win/lose to pick sides officially or otherwise take each other out and clear the field. Aka its nothing but silence here on most things. As for china's investments. Its a mixed bag. Its good to get more honest investments than USAid but simultaneously China is making much more than they are giving. It's a parasitic loan, not a loan of good faith. Not to include the extreme racism of Chinese influencers coming here and making videos of children saying in Mandarin how they are dumb monkeys and need Chinese enslavement.

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[–] kernelle@lemmy.dbzer0.com 25 points 14 hours ago (9 children)

Has the political stance of the devs ever impacted lemmy in any way? From what I can tell they do a pretty good job isolating their views to their instance. Honestly apart from a few comments I rarely see any tankies.

[–] DarrinBrunner@lemmy.world 20 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago) (12 children)

Yes. As per OP, tankies are everywhere in Lemmy. More so than other platforms, it's hard to miss. OP isn't wrong about that.

If a user isn't aware of tankies, they could easily be swayed by the constant posting of pro-CCP crap here.

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[–] Yliaster@lemmy.world 2 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

Lemmy.ml is tankie breeding grounds.

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[–] LovableSidekick@lemmy.world 2 points 7 hours ago

Leemy seems full of young westerners with a strong attitude that used to be called "anti-establishment". I think this comes out a lot as overall negativity to the western world, which is seen as authoritative. colonialist, environmentally destructive, and pretty much on the wrong side of any argument by default.

[–] BuboScandiacus@mander.xyz 4 points 8 hours ago

You are right

[–] Treczoks@lemmy.world 28 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

Less Anti-West, more like Anti-US. And the China drones are another thing entirely.

[–] Imperious_melange@lemmy.world 21 points 12 hours ago (6 children)

That would be understandable, the US is a shame, particularly these days. There are few places with that much wasted potential to make the world a better place.

[–] Apepollo11@lemmy.world 12 points 11 hours ago (2 children)

Putting all patriotism aside, I don't think there's any reality in which the US uses its potential to make the world a better place.

The big difference nowadays is that it's become patently clear that the US government isn't even trying to make the US a better place.

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[–] mech@feddit.org 67 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago) (27 children)

On one hand, Lemmy used to be a safe-space for communists (including those that wish for the USSR back) before Redditors moved in. The developers of Lemmy themselves are politically pro-China and anti-USA.
On the other hand, the USA have stopped being the shining beacon of freedom and democracy they used to be seen as by many people in the west. So anti-USA posts will get lots of upvotes even from people in the west or the USA itself.
And thirdly, the western countries' refusal to speak out against Israel's genocide in Gaza, Jordan and Lebanon has turned most of lemmy against their governments.

China just looks less bad in comparison than it used to be.
When western governments don't give a fuck about human rights anymore, they have no standing to criticize China over it. And when western media refuse to even address an ongoing genocide carried out with western weapons and money, trust in them is lost and people start to doubt whether the stories they tell about the evil adversary China are true after all.

So it's a mix of Lemmy's original board culture, and a major shift in public perception in general.

P.S.: I'd love to read more news and stories from African countries on Lemmy!

[–] ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 8 hours ago

I agree. I don't see things overly pro China, but me being from the US, the US deservedly gets shit on. The rich and the crazy have been allowed to completely ruin it. Then, so many countries sucking the Israeli cock is just insane to me. Seems most countries are ran by terrible people. China included.

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[–] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 14 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago)

There are absolutely pro-authoritarian agitators here who feel the need to inject their venomous or smug anti-west rhetoric at any opportunity, just looking to start an argument or push propaganda.

As far as posts about African nations being ignored I’d say that’s par for the course for the West. We’re wildly ignorant about the continent, so much so that we say that someone is “from Africa” while ignoring the 50+ countries that exist there. Our news doesn’t cover it unless we can bomb it or exploit it.

[–] LuigiMaoFrance@lemmy.ml 15 points 12 hours ago (2 children)

Anyone else get a suspicious anti-genocide vibe from this place? 😳

[–] I_Has_A_Hat@lemmy.world 10 points 12 hours ago (3 children)

As you can see from the above example, the users pushing the whole "America is the only bad country! China is amazing and never does anything wrong!" rhetoric are overwhelmingly from a single instance; lemmy.ml.

No matter the topic of conversation, an .ml user just can't help themselves from virtue signaling in the comments about how much they hate imperialism and how they know that anything bad about China/Russia/NK is literally all Western propaganda.

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[–] anarchiddy@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 11 hours ago (2 children)

Have you seen how much bullshit "The West" has been responsible for lately?

I dont think it's strange at all for there to be a strong undercurrent of anti-western sentiment.

[–] foodandart@lemmy.zip 5 points 10 hours ago

Being angry at "the west" is easy, as it's an open book.

Let's investigate other societies and see how transparent their imperial actions are.

Ehhh, not so easy to do..

Whatever.

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[–] HubertManne@piefed.social 1 points 7 hours ago

I mean as far as the us. there are these folks who like to put up god bless america signs. Now im not religious. I don't believe in god. Still. I look and say. That should be america be worthy of gods blessing. Now maybe europe is doing alright but the us has no basis for asking for accolades.

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