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    sudo apt install --only-upgrade --no-install-recommends "^vivaldi" "^firefox ^nano"

    [–] khanh@lemmy.zip 5 points 2 days ago (1 children)

    he ran it in the wrong order πŸ’”βœŒοΈ

    [–] jaxxed@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

    Plus he couldbhave just used 'apt' one command.

    [–] wpb@lemmy.world 15 points 2 days ago (1 children)
    [–] Venat0r@lemmy.world 5 points 2 days ago (1 children)

    they need to make apt get upgrate that does both in the right order...

    You are in luck because you can make this an alias (custom command) in your .bashrc file:

    alias update='sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade'

    [–] 7uWqKj@lemmy.world 154 points 4 days ago (2 children)

    Update first, then upgrade

    [–] cannedtuna@lemmy.world 44 points 4 days ago (3 children)

    Good catch. Haven’t been using apt in some time.

    sudo pacman -Syu

    [–] Broadfern@lemmy.world 37 points 4 days ago (1 children)
    [–] aketawi@quokk.au 19 points 4 days ago
    which yay
    yay: aliased to paru
    
    [–] Ooops@feddit.org 20 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

    Is it even apt-get still? thought they changed over to apt long ago and apt-get is just a symlink for legacy reasons.

    At least that's what I last read... (speaking as someone also loving candy) .

    [–] truthfultemporarily@feddit.org 21 points 4 days ago (1 children)

    apt is a wrapper over the apt- binaries (apt-search apt-cache etc).

    [–] MsFlammkuchen@lemmy.blahaj.zone 21 points 4 days ago (1 children)

    apt is meant more for user interaction and apt-get is more stable and more for scripting. But apt-get is often used in online tutorials because it doesn't really change.

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    [–] huquad@lemmy.ml 16 points 3 days ago

    It runs so much faster if you do upgrade first \s

    [–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 7 points 2 days ago

    It's the other way around, but yes, very much yes

    [–] barnaclebutt@lemmy.world 81 points 3 days ago (4 children)

    Update before upgrade you nonce

    [–] wltr@discuss.tchncs.de 28 points 3 days ago (1 children)

    C’mon, it’s Debian! Obsolete anyway. Update today, upgrade in a week, not like things gonna change. Perhaps the man forgot the upgrade a week ago, upgraded, and then decided to double-check there’s nothing new anyway. Right?

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    [–] MrShankles@reddthat.com 19 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (3 children)

    Didn't know we were still doing apt-get

    I have a lot to learn

    [–] Zink@programming.dev 7 points 3 days ago (3 children)

    iirc, apt-get is the version to use in scripts. They keep the input & output consistent so that it won't break things.

    Regular old apt is for humans to use at the command prompt, and that's what I use all the time.

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    pacman "See you"

    [–] ian@feddit.uk 2 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

    It's clear why many Windows users won't switch to Linux, when people show them they'd need to use strange IT tools to use it. While, annoying, Windows doesnt need you to be an IT nerd. Linux doesn't either, but to people outside of the Linux bubble, this is how it gets presented. That Windows update sure looks easier than some manual hack.

    [–] BOplaid@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 15 hours ago (1 children)
    [–] ian@feddit.uk 1 points 11 hours ago

    To a non IT person who hasn't heard of apt, needing to start the update manually, and needing type some magic words in precisely, is the worst it can get.

    [–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 8 points 3 days ago (6 children)

    In Windows it would be

    winget upgrade -all

    I'm pretty sure.

    [–] Jyek@sh.itjust.works 9 points 3 days ago (2 children)

    Winget update --all

    But yes, this updates any packages distributed by Ms store and winget repos. As an IT professional, I love winget.

    [–] cygnus_sillius@lemmy.world 4 points 3 days ago (1 children)

    Winget is a step in the right direction... but man it is SO SLOW. If PowerBI Desktop has an update, it is actually taking me 20+ minutes to update a handful of apps.

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    [–] DevDave@piefed.social 3 points 2 days ago (1 children)

    I have no artistic skills so freebie: Arch is like Russian roulette where the odds are good but there is still a non-zero chance some update is going to shit the bed. I don't even know how to convey that in meme form either.

    [–] taiyang@lemmy.world 31 points 4 days ago (6 children)

    I just want to share that last semester, the Windows podium computer we used decided randomly to update during a student presentation. It did not help their nerves, but I did turn it into a chance to evangelize Linux.

    And no, they can't use their own laptop, the connections to the podium computer, and thus the projector, use VGA...

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    [–] plutopos@lemmy.zip 9 points 3 days ago (3 children)

    KDE Plasma recommends applying updates at reboot like Windows for stability. In fact, that is how it does them by default

    [–] grrgyle@slrpnk.net 8 points 3 days ago (1 children)

    KDE Plasma does what I tell it to

    [–] plutopos@lemmy.zip 5 points 3 days ago (7 children)

    Sure, what I'm saying is the "windows way" of applying updates isn't bad and there's a reason why they do it

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    [–] ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world 9 points 3 days ago (1 children)

    Aaaand... you're on Debian, so Blender 4.0 just got added to the testing branch. (Blender 4.0 still haven't been tested for 168 hours of continuous running without touching it)

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    You've heard of archinstall, now get ready for

    archupdate

    (it's an alias I made for "pacman -Syu")

    [–] HeHoXa@lemmy.zip 11 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

    genini update my machine

    Because I'm apparently a raging masochist

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    [–] wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz 13 points 3 days ago (4 children)

    You misspelled pacman -Syu

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    As someone who works on Windows daily... this is so true. One of the things that really annoys me with Windows is being able to reliably do updates. Running any of the update stuff, seems more like a suggestion and if Windows deems your request worthy, it might SLOWLY do something.

    [–] ToiletFlushShowerScream@piefed.world 19 points 4 days ago (2 children)

    Linux noob here. Just upgraded hardware and reinstalled Windows and Linux on the gaming computers and even though I'm a complete Linux beginner, 9 out of 10 software issues were with windows! I couldn't believe a gazzilion dollar company with thousands of employees still couldn't get it right?

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    [–] kionay@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago (3 children)

    The user interface on the left and the command prompt on the right does kinda highlight a barrier to mass Linux adoption.

    if we want more people on Linux let's normalize not having to use the command line for everything.

    [–] sonofearth@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago (2 children)

    That is not the barrier. Most people stick to defaults and don't know how to install an OS. When any person switches, they will try to learn an adapt. If it is a shitty experience, they will switch back to defaults. Updating your system through command line is not a shitty experience.

    [–] Meatwagon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

    Some of the gen zers I come across can't even double click an icon on PC.

    There's no reason not to have an update button somewhere.

    [–] sonofearth@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

    Absolutely but it is not easy. It needs to have several layers of abstraction by hiding what packages are being updated and auto approving themselves without prompting for password. There should be an automatic rollback mechanism in place in case an update goes bad. Some programs will need to auto-update themselves as users would expect like google chrome, firefox β€” which I don’t think we currently have other than steam. Otherwise if a person skips an update, they will leave their system vulnerable to the security bugs in browsers.

    [–] kionay@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

    That is not the barrier.

    who said there is only one barrier?

    they will try to learn an[d] adapt

    you will, sure, but no not everyone will. think less on tech savvy people and more on those that know that "the Internet is the big blue e when I turn on the computer (their monitor)"

    those people outnumber us tech savvy individuals at least two-to-one and they deserve an OS that is easier to use then memorizing command line commands

    [–] sonofearth@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

    Only tech savvy people will actually install an OS. Unless you put a β€œInstall OS” button on the keyboard most people will never switch. So they will probably never use Linux because the idea of switching defaults is scary because it is not β€œofficially supported” by the manufacturer. Using the terminal is not a big deal. Most people can learn and adapt very easily, it’s not rocket science. The official defaults mindset is a barrier.

    If we want Linux to grow, we need it to be installed by default on major hardware.

    deserve an OS that is easier to use

    Mint, Zorin, Ubuntu. They exist and have existed for a long time. They simply are not the default OS on any major piece of hardware.

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