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[โ€“] KurtVonnegut@mander.xyz 11 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

There is no "reject all" option for the cookies on this website?

[โ€“] oats@piefed.zip 9 points 1 week ago (6 children)

In Germany its legal to demand payment for reject all, that's what you're seeing at heise ๐Ÿคก

[โ€“] dubak@feddit.org 24 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

It's illegal in EU. There is an ongoing complaint against Heise submitted to Data protection authority in North Rhine-Westphalia. Just because the responsible authority has been dragging out the decision for four years, doesn't make it legal.

[โ€“] oats@piefed.zip 11 points 1 week ago

Thought heise already won in lower courts. Tbh I dont care too much, I trust ublock way more than any reject button anyways

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[โ€“] dubak@feddit.org 4 points 1 week ago

Heise.de is a crap source. Just downvote it. Barrier-free sources will be posted throughout weekend as they become available.

[โ€“] Ooops@feddit.org 11 points 1 week ago (1 children)

"The biggest hurdle in the negotiations was likely whether the new means of payment should function exclusively online or also independently of an active internet connection."

How can this even be a question? As long as governments don't give me free internet access and the minimum of required hardware making it online only would be rediculous. Either it's a working system for all citizens not just those who can afford it or it's a conceptional stillbirth.

[โ€“] Mubelotix@jlai.lu 4 points 1 week ago (4 children)

It is technically impossible to make it function without the internet. It's called the double spending problem and it can only be solved with some sort of global consensus state

[โ€“] colourlessidea@sopuli.xyz 1 points 1 week ago (2 children)

How do payments on planes work?

[โ€“] Mubelotix@jlai.lu 2 points 1 week ago

You can scam the company, but if you do they know who you are and come after you. Which is not compatible with privacy

[โ€“] wizzor@sopuli.xyz 1 points 1 week ago

Poorly. The transactions clear when the plane lands, and this is a significant headache for airlines. More modern airlines have satellite internet onboard for this purpose, but it costs a lot to install on an airframe.

Source: worked in payments and asked an airline head pilot.

[โ€“] Ooops@feddit.org 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

How do banks work then? Transfers in cash? Or does that global consensus state in fact not rely on realtime communication?

[โ€“] Mubelotix@jlai.lu 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Banks form a network. Information is easier to copy than raw materials. Optic fiber is fast you know

[โ€“] Ooops@feddit.org 2 points 1 week ago

And the digital euro is not connected to a bank? The digital euro is supposed to be a souvereign EU way of paying independent from 3rd party providers, yet somehow they can't do what they can for 'technical reasons'? Where is the digital euro actually happeneing? In some magical cloud that is totally not just someone elses (...a banks ...) computer? Ffs... ages ago we sorted out the "double spending" problem to pay with just our signature, yet now it's technically impossible without a constant internet connection...

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[โ€“] leagman1@feddit.org 9 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Looking forward to the digital euro

[โ€“] comrade_twisty@feddit.org 19 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I'll celebrate when I finally can ditch VISA and Mastercard. I already don't use them anymore domestically thanks to Twint, but as soon as I cross the border they are currently my only option (even for getting cash).

[โ€“] leagman1@feddit.org 3 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Had to google Twint. It's a Swiss payment app, right?

If I got this right, the recent Wero should be its โ‚ฌ-equivalent (edit: eurozone, not โ‚ฌ per se).

The digital euro on the other hand - again, if I understand it correctly - is digital cash. So to pay with it, you'd have to have a specific digital pocket for it and then exchange Swiss franc for euro/digital euro.

[โ€“] comrade_twisty@feddit.org 5 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Yup, it's our home grown payment app that is widely accepted, from your local butcher and farm store to Mediamarkt and all major grocery stores.

Most of us have Euro accounts too, so exchanging money to use the digital euro abroad is no real issue. I go shopping for groceries and personal hygiene products in Germany once or twice per week.

[โ€“] FlowerFan@piefed.blahaj.zone 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)
[โ€“] comrade_twisty@feddit.org 2 points 1 week ago

Wow no, just no!

I am nowhere near that ugly town.

[โ€“] iammike@programming.dev 10 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I'm afraid this is just an excuse for mass surveillance. At least, getting rid of American services is definitely a win.

[โ€“] john_t@piefed.ee 10 points 1 week ago (3 children)

The EU is not the bad guy you are looking for. You are already being mass surveilled by Visa and Mastercard.

[โ€“] HereIAm@lemmy.world 9 points 1 week ago (2 children)

The EU are absolutely the bad guys if not kept on a short leash. I'm not very confident Chat Control would be stopped unless for the massive campaigning to educate them. They already want to weaken GDPR. Are we the US yet? No, but we all need to be very wary of the power creep. They are also looking into age-verification laws to protect the kids. Not all things EU are benevolent.

[โ€“] Barbarian@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 week ago

Completely agree. I'm hugely supportive of the EU, the things it has accomplished and the future potential. However, blindly agreeing with everything it does with black and white thinking is how we sleepwalk into our own authoritarian dystopia.

[โ€“] john_t@piefed.ee 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

They are also looking into age-verification laws
They should! Call me old fashioned but kids really shouldn't be on Facebook, Instagram, Tiktok, etc. It's just turning them into sociopaths manipulated by billionaires.

[โ€“] HereIAm@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

Sure, I do partially agree with that. But give parents better tools to monitor or restrict what their kids can access. Don't make every citizens online activity trackable. Just look at Texas what "nothing to hide" logic gets you; arrested for seeking abortion.

[โ€“] dieTasse@feddit.org 3 points 1 week ago

They are not... Today... I bet Americans said the same years ago.

[โ€“] Ooops@feddit.org 1 points 1 week ago

Oh, they are absolutely the bad guy we are looking for. Constantly working on undermining our privacy rights on behalf of lobbyists from US companies and organisations competing against those US companies now mostly in control of our data, is neither good nor pro EU souvereignity.

[โ€“] leagman1@feddit.org 1 points 1 week ago

Same. But if we somehow manage to make it not go to shit, it'd be just very convenient imo. That's a big if ofc.

Well, the rollout is a bit sketchy but it looks like it could really work

[โ€“] oats@piefed.zip 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Hopefully its not such a shit show like wero is now

[โ€“] leagman1@feddit.org 1 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Is it a shitshow? Afaik it's "just" super lackluster, missing vital functionality

[โ€“] oats@piefed.zip 4 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (7 children)

I have four accounts that support wero. For each, its baked into the banking app. Each is totally different. While one can even generate qr codes for payment, the other only supports phone numbers from my address book, cant even input a number.

Oh, and it leaks my Iban if I actually pay with it.

[โ€“] Scrollone@feddit.it 2 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Yeah I think the biggest problem of Wero is that you need to use your bank app.

Bank apps are usually bloated and shitty, and each one works differently. Just give us a basic and standard Wero app.

[โ€“] oats@piefed.zip 2 points 1 week ago

There even is an official wero app, but you cannot use it when your bank offers wero in theirs.

In my opinion the whole thing with wero being tied to your checking account is stupid. Most people have one. And dont want to give out the account data to their primary salary to everyone.

[โ€“] calavera@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 week ago

That's bad. In Portugal we have a "local wero" and you can choose to use the standalone app(which is much faster) or the bank app.

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@leagman1 @oats wero is just IBAN to QRcode sadly

[โ€“] HumbleExaggeration@feddit.org 5 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Puh, the roadmap reads like a 5 year plan. I thought the digital euro was way closer to being introduced. Wasn't there news about it starting in early 2027 a few month back?

[โ€“] EatingOnions@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago

As far as I know it was always meant to be launched in 2029

[โ€“] HenriVolney@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

That would be Wero, a private alternative of some sort

[โ€“] Scrollone@feddit.it 1 points 1 week ago

Too bad Wero decided to make you use your bank app. That's the most stupid decision ever.

Lol I can't get past the german cookie-wall

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