This is a community in the spirit of "Am I The Asshole" where people can post their own bans from lemmy or reddit or whatever and get some feedback from others whether the ban was justified or not.
Sometimes one just wants to be able to challenge the arguments some mod made and this could be the place for that.
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https://lemmy.sdf.org/comment/22698776
I'm not personally involved in any way, but I saw this happen and thought it roughly fits this community, if in a slightly backwards kind of way.
That's the opposite of power tripping. This belongs on a "fedi drama" sub, not this one.
This feels like the opposite of a Power Trippin' Bastard.
Unless he tripped over his own power? 🤔 🤔 🤔
I mean, in a sense, forcing people who didn't ask for mod powers to suddenly be mods because of very minor criticism and then bailing seems like power tripping to me. "If you don't like the way I do it, do it yourself!" Where the power tripping is taking their ball and going home because people don't like how they're doing it.
More like a tantrum than a power trip. Newly appointed mods also have no obligation to moderate.
They didn't take their ball and go home though. They left their ball there with the complainers and went home without the ball.
Even leaving the mod tram apparently gets you hate
"Their ball" in this instance would be the way they handled moderation, and they took their moderation with them.
Would you think any different if they removed themselves and everyone else as moderators, leaving it purposely unmoderated? Because he didn't even ask if the people he modded wanted or were up to the task. What if they weren't and the community spirals without moderation. Seems like taking something away to me.
I'm not a mod of anything, but your comment kinda upsets me in how you think.
Being a mod is unpaid slave work which can be gruelling. If a mod gets burnt out and has just had enough, they can leave whenever they want and "take their moderation with them."
Their time was not compensated for, they are doing it for the passion they have/had for their community. If that is now gone because of whatever accumulation of stress, then that's 100% fine.
Would you think any different if they removed themselves and everyone else as moderators, leaving it purposely unmoderated?
That's very obviously a completely different thing. They're free to leave.. obviously removing others forcefully is not good.. but that isn't happening here.
Seems like taking something away to me.
This just makes you sound like a child, no offence, this person on the internet doesn't owe anyone anything. If they want to stop modding, they can at any time.
Meh, they can remove themselves as mods too. Or just ignore it. It's not like it's some huge responsibility they are stuck with now. lol
The argument was that the mod in question didn't take his ball and go home. I just pointed out that by removing himself from the moderating team, he removed an active moderator, which very much is taking your ball and going home, especially if the new mods that didn't get asked if they wanted to be do just that, remove themselves and move on.
Fair point!
Nobody owes you their time to moderate your community. If people aren't happy with how their work is appreciated, then it's their choice to leave.
And I think it makes a good point to give it to the complainers. They can leave too, and it's up to them too. It's as hard as hitting a button. Maybe they'll keep their fucking mouths shut next time.
Maybe they’ll keep their fucking mouths shut next time.
Jesus Christ... I feel like you don't socialize much if this you think is a normal response to the most absolute mild and gentle ways to say "hey, might be worth letting a bit more discussion flourish while the community is small."
Yeah I know what subs I'm not interacting with any time soon now lmao.
I guarantee you this person you're responding to is a power tripping bastard when it comes to their own communities, based on their attitude alone.
Sure nobody owes their time, but they signed up for it. The idea that you'll never get anyone with even the tiniest complaint (and genuinely, it was an incredibly small complaint) and to just throw your hands and give up when you do is childish. The first person to bring it up even said they just thought the moderator was working too hard, not that they were doing anything wrong, and that they even understood and respect the philosophy behind it. They weren't being rude, there's almost no better way to present constructive criticism than how the OP brought it up to begin with. If that's worth crashing out over, you're not fit to be a fucking mod anyway, imho.
Yet in here a few people have written off as complainers instead of active members of a community who are giving community feedback.
I would get it if the users were being rude, but they clearly weren't, the first person to bring it up especially was incredibly understanding and not rude at all. Losing it over constructive criticism is power tripping baby bitch shit.
Biggest problem honestly is that I can't deal with making a Lemmy.world account today, not home and not dealing with the link on the go. Maybe in the morning if they are sticking with leaving.
Maybe they'll keep their fucking mouths shut next time.
Why would I keep my mouth shut?
Nah, keep talking. We need to free our communities of mods.
He's not forcing them to be mods, they can remove themselves and/or make other people mods.
I can't think of a better response.
If enforcing the established rules isn't popular, then let's make new rules. Wait; YOU make them, as I'm not a good fit to this sub and shouldn't be running it.
Be careful what you wish for.
This is pretty funny though. Lemmy is full of people who bitch and moan, but never step up and fix anything.
I've had people bitch about what I post in my communities, so I tell them they can post stuff too; it's an open community. Or better yet, they can start their own communities since they are so obsessed with how I run mine. They never do. LMAO
So hey, I'm loving what the guy did.
The complaints are quite reasonable - and point of note, that comment was one of a whopping 3 in that thread - with a bunch of posts having been removed by that mod. The post started off blaming the users for deleting after they got an answer, including one that was marked solved.
Thats not what happened though, the mod deleted them. Not locked, removed.
I stand by my comment that its the wrong approach.
I mean that take is pretty fair, the number of people bitching about features but not willing to learn a little bit of coding to contribute is too damn high. "We want better UI and to make it easier for normies!" So then contribute to the project. "No!"
This is honestly just funny.
Moderation by sortition is also an interesting idea, even though this isn't quite that.
I can see that. You don't like how I run this? It's your fucking problem now.
I'm involved!
I'd still like them to confirm. I dont mind moderating, but clearly this was a decision they made rather... Abruptly. And I'm sure that they didn't think things through.
It can be real hard dealing with an onslaught of criticism from a growing cohort of internet randos.
Ive modded larger subreddits and forums, I generally dont find it to be much it an issue personally. Its not something to take personally in the first place, and people who go over line into harassment can be ignored / comments deleted / banned anyway.
I would also put my comment clearly in the constructive territory.
I would say yours was just a little more pointed, but I agree that it still falls under constructive criticism. I also think you're doing the right thing continuing to try to get a response out of the original moderator in case they did this in a fit while having an unrelated bad day or something. We never know what's happening in people's lives outside the internet, and maybe they were dealing with a death in the family or who knows, just something where the stressors added up and this stress of moderating became too much to bear when faced with constructive criticism. They may come back in a day or so and regret their decision, which is why it's good of you to keep communications open. Cheers, mate.
I can haz modburger?