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Epistemic status: been thinking about this a contradiction I've seen in some of my friends views on AI and think its likely that a lot of people think in this way, especially in communities that really don't like it (eg. most of Lemmy). I know a ton of math and read/work a lot on AI theory+mech interp+safety, so I think I have a pretty strong understanding of the underlying mechanics. I'm fairly confident on the general ideas in this post, but as I explain at the end: a very nuanced understanding involves holding many of these otherwise contradictory viewpoints as true. Writing this because I genuinely want those against AI to have an easier time convincing people.

(for this AI=LLM)

It is not reasonable to think both that

  • AIs are going to be forever incompetent or
  • AIs cannot create new things (excluding creative works) or
  • AIs cannot do very simple tasks

and

  • AI will replace my job or
  • AI will bring mass surveillance or
  • AI can produce deepfakes that are 100% convincing or
  • AI can be superpersuasive, manipulative (can cause AI psychosis)

(a lot of popular articles on AI fall into one of the above categories, and are often targeted towards the same people)

On another note, I have yet to hear a person against datacenters to give me a good reply to the question "Isn't the water just recycled back into the system?", and in fact they're usually uncertain why the datacenters need the water in the first place. I'm not some accelerationist and I don't think we need to cover the globe in datacenters, but those strongly against AI should have more concrete views than AI = bad, and then be able to back them up without having to do a search for sources, just from memory.

And yes there are exceptions to this in which holding both views make sense but this requires a lot more nuance but unless you are interested in this, that extra info probably would just clutter up your worldview.

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[–] Meat_Of_Nan@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I am not an expert but I know more about llms than the average end user. Let's go through everything.

  • AIs are going to be forever incompetent

    Ai already isn't incompetent in proper use cases and is improving. HOWEVER when llms are used in inappropriate ways such as far customer service, or legal advice, which they frequently are, they are and will most likely remain harmful and incompetent. They're great for finding and predicting patterns and processing large amounts of data. The problem is that the people in charge of llm companies are forcing them in everything possible, even when they clearly have no reason to be used for certain things, which causes a ton of issuesm

  • AIs cannot create new things

    This is a gray area. It technically creates new things but you need to remember that llms are not humans, what an llm is doing is compiling what it has in its database and regurgitating it back up to be used. When an llm "creates" an image what you're looking at is bits and pieces of its stored data. Llms do not have the capacity to create anything on their own without this base data. If an llm didn't have it's training, it would be a paper weight. This is where this argument comes from.

  • AIs cannot do very simple tasks

    Entirely incorrect, it can and does many things. As stated before, it's great at processing large amount of data. It's extremely useful for researchers. People have found new planets with llm technology. However most end users only see llms when they are forced to interact with them, and in many of those situations, the llm is being used for something completely inappropriate for an llm, which does make it come off as completely useless. If the people responsible for pushing and deploying llns were not doing this, and were deploying them responsibly and ethically, I'm quite confident there would be far less hate for them.

  • AI will replace my job

    Without knowing what your job is I can't tell you that but they can and have displaced many people's jobs, and has been a massive bane especially in the art and tech industry

  • AI will bring mass surveillance

    Ai is already used frequently for mass surveillance.

  • AI can produce deepfakes that are 100% convincing

    It's already alarmingly close to being able to do this

  • AI can be superpersuasive, manipulative

    There are many cases of it doing this. Ai psychosis would not be a term if it didn't happen frequently enough to need a term

Llms can both be helpful and incredibly destructive. When it's used properly it can be a major boon, and when it's used incorrectly, or maliciously, it can and has destroyed lives.

Those datacenters are also extremely harmful to the communities they are built in. They make people's utility bills spike dramatically, cause immense harm to the environment, and yes, they do use up and pollute a massive amount of freshwater. They are also extremely loud and can cause sounds in frequencies we can't detect but can and do cause people to get ill. I encourage you to look up everything I've said here to confirm for yourself.

Anything can be both helpful and harmful. Uranium can be refined into fuel for very clean and efficient energy.... It can also be used to make bombs that are powerful enough to end life on earth. A hammer is great for driving nails into wood, but it can also be a murder weapon. Something can be both helpful and extremely harmful at the same time.

Thank you for coming to my Ted talk.

[–] httperrorcode@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

thanks for writing this

yeah this is what I meant by nuance, I just dislike when people have mostly-contradictory viewpoints that overlap in the sole fact that they believe 'AI=bad'. for example I've heard the same people irl both say things that show they believe 'AIs cannot do very simple tasks' and 'AI can be superpersuasive, manipulative'

[–] Meat_Of_Nan@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago

Those things are not contradictory they just required nuance. If you put an llm in a customer assistance role, it will be almost entirely useless. One had a full on breakdown when it tried to run a vending machine in a test. But give an llm obscene amounts of information to sift through to look for patterns and it will thrive.

People tend to say llm is useless because people running the llm companies tend to push it into deployment in places it has absolutely no business being in, it's their only real experience with them, and it is usually forced on them without their consent making the interaction negative before it ever began.

It's not useless but many people encounter it in areas where it's either not helpful, or an active hindrance. They're working with the information and first hand experience they have and when they encounter it, they're usually correct in that circumstance that it is indeed useless. Nuance goes in both directions.

[–] Steve@communick.news 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Isn't the water just recycled back into the system?

Not localy. They use evaporative cooling. The water goes into the atmosphere. Eventually it'll rain down someplace, maybe someplace useful, maybe not.

[–] hendrik@palaver.p3x.de 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Yes. Evaporated water is definitely removed from the region. So you'll get issues with the groundwater table. Or with how much water is left in the river for other use. Like for the farmers who use it to grow crops. Or the local residents who'd like to drink it, or flush it down their toilets... Some of it is now gone and removed from the local water supply. And you likely don't want to wait for the next rain season to flush down your poo... And the crops will die in the meantime, as well.

And even if it's not evaporated, you might end up with a lukewarm river. Which isn't great for the fish or pretty much any life which used to be there before. Not only because of temperature directly, but also because warmer water can hold less oxygen...

Furthermore your river-heating will probably be powered by the least efficient / dirtiest natural gas power plant. Because those are cheaper and faster to build. That has an effect on pollution in the region as well. Just look at what Musk is doing.

[–] radix@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It is reasonable to believe A) AIs are a poor substitute for a human at most jobs, and B) company management is still going to replace people in search of short-term profits, even at the expense of long-term stability.

Those two things are not contradictory.

Second, "AIs cannot create new, original things" is not the opposite of "AI can produce deepfakes". That would be like saying every shuffle of a deck of cards is functionally unique (true), therefore I invented a new card game (false).

[–] httperrorcode@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

short-term profits

if 'AIs are a poor substitute for a human at most jobs', then even this wouldnt work. disregarding long term effects, AI must be able to do jobs to a degree for this to happen

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'create new original things' is subjective, but people push it to an extreme. it does not need to be the opposite of 'ai can produce deepfakes' to be included. example of new original thing: https://openai.com/index/model-disproves-discrete-geometry-conjecture/

[–] Signtist@bookwyr.me 4 points 1 day ago

I don't know enough to be sure that AI can't be useful for something, or that data centers are definitely bad for the environment. I certainly think they are, but I could be wrong. I don't hate them for that probable but unconfirmed notion, I hate them because the corrupt system is pushing them hard, simple as that.

You will never know enough about the world to identify every scam and trick that comes your way for what it is, but you can often identify clear scammers and tricksters, and when you do, you should immediately refuse anything related to them out of an abundance of caution. I'd rather turn down a good idea from a bad person than fall for another trick just because I couldn't specifically prove how and why it's a trick. If the idea is good, it'll come around again from someone more trustworthy than a tech billionaire, and they'll be able to properly explain why it's good.

As far as I'm concerned, everything that anyone worth over $10 million says, does, or creates is at least partially evil. It's better to assume that than waste time splitting hairs as the world burns due to their actions.