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[–] CosmicTurtle0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 49 minutes ago

America didn't give Trump a second chance. That implies he was caught and convicted, and punished for something he did wrong.

He did not spend a single day in jail. His sentence in New York was effectively commuted.

He was never even charged at the federal level.

He was allowed to continue his tyranny.

Because Democrats refused to actually hold him to account.

[–] sns@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 2 hours ago

The US put a gun to its head in 2016. In 2024, it pulled the trigger.

[–] pulsewidth@lemmy.world 24 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

Gosh.. Who enabled this I wonder. What major informers of voters was a key proponent of 'actually Trump is probably a better choice than Biden'.

Fuck.. if only we had the capability to search the past for answers.

[–] Starik@lemmy.world 9 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

What % of NYT readers voted for Trump? It has to be minuscule.

The election was so close, there are dozens of but-for causes that could have tipped the scale, but the NYT not being sufficiently alarmist about Trump (which is what that CNN article you linked claims - not that the paper was a proponent of Trump, as you say) probably wasn’t one of them.

[–] NormDeplume@lemmy.world 7 points 4 hours ago (2 children)

Democrat turnout was pretty abysmal, and the media sanewashing of trump certainly contributed to some of that.

[–] go_go_gadget@lemmy.world 2 points 2 hours ago

Running a candidate who nobody voted for in a primary probably contributed to it as well.

[–] Starik@lemmy.world -1 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago)

I agree there must have been a sizable chunk of voters who were unaware that Trump posed a threat to democracy itself, but I assume those people are just generally relatively uninformed. The way I knew he was a threat to democracy was through consuming mainstream media (and some podcasts).

By 2024 Trump had been on the political scene for almost a decade. This was post Jan 6. There was no excuse for putting him back in power. The voters sanewashed him to themselves. People are very adaptable. We are the same species who owned slaves, walked on the moon, tore out peoples hearts at the tops of pyramids, sit in boxes for 8 hours a day, and hunted giant fuzzy elephants to extinction by hand - and all of it is “normal.”

Even today, 37% of Americans think Trump is great!

[–] lemmyng@lemmy.world 13 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

My will to live.

They broke my will to live.

[–] N0t_5ure@lemmy.world 3 points 4 hours ago

You need to recast that. They broke your will to live in the U.S.. There are still some nice places in the world.

[–] Rentlar@lemmy.ca 10 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

A Project 2029 cannot be a collection of Democratic Party agenda items. It must articulate a broad new conception of the nation’s political order — one that will guide the way a future Democratic-led government might wield power. Above all, Democrats must have a plan for reconstruction — for building something new on the wreckage of what President Trump, MAGA and the Republican Party have wrought — not restoration of what was.

The whole article puts eloquent prose to the thoughts in my head (looking from outside the US) as to what the USA needs to recover post-Trump; it's more than striving to going back to normal.

The issue is that centrist Democratic voices have been kind of developing their vision by committee over any aims to make it cohesive and comprehensive. In my view the plan has to recognize and tackle these three things:

  • Internal complacency within the Democratic party to do good things for people rather than just talk about them
  • Reforming the outdated systems that simply relied on trust that the system wouldn't corrupt itself or overlook corruption.
  • Fixing the destruction caused by the Trump administration, then taking steps to prevent a cult like Congress and a bought-and-paid-for judiciary to surrender the republic to the executive.

The important thing is you can't grandfather in the corruption while you fix it.

[–] Typhoon@lemmy.ca 7 points 4 hours ago

America was broken before this. Giving Trump a second chance (or a first) was a symptom.

[–] FreshParsnip@lemmy.ca 4 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

I'm for second chances.....when the stakes are lower. A waiter messes up a few people's orders, you give him a chance to improve. A president of a country steals classified documents and attempts a violent coup to stay in power, you ban from ever being in a position of power again

[–] ClassStruggle@lemmy.ml 4 points 4 hours ago

The people capable of preventing him from to getting back into office condoned what he did. The oligarchy will never charge one of their own

[–] TomMasz@lemmy.world 1 points 3 hours ago

The total lack of selfawareness is staggering.

[–] Bigfishbest@lemmy.world 2 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Broke ain't the right word. Revealed could be used, or accelerated.

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 4 points 4 hours ago

Simple people love simple answers.

It's a lot easier to blame trump personally and pretend we'd have been fine without him. Even tho most of the people saying Trump's the only problem, said the same thing about Bush.

It's easier to blame the sacrifice goat (especially when the goat is evil) than it is to understand if that goat was never born the same people would have just brought out a different goat.

Republican and neoliberal presidents are always just empty suits for the oligarchs.

[–] Doomsider@lemmy.world 1 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

Second chance!? Trump blew past second chance in grade school. Now he is on his 16,546 chance.

Edit: Alternative title

The ruling class broke America when they forced Trump on the American people the first time. This time around they are shitting on the ground and then rubbing citizens noses in it.

[–] inmatarian@lemmy.world 0 points 4 hours ago

For 10 years every media outlet on the country has had to repeatedly show his face and play his voice throughout every single day of broadcast and publication. I'm tired bro, I'm so tired. I can't live in a world where every screen in the country is his face constantly staring at me. So I turned it off. I'm not ignoring what's going on in the world, but everywhere that normalized him lost me. NY Times, NPR, all of it. What broke in this country is I'm not the customer anymore of our traditional media system. And when he attacks those institutions, what am I supposed to do about it? Cry? You made your bed.

[–] ArbitraryValue@sh.itjust.works -4 points 5 hours ago (2 children)

Maybe some damage is irreversible but the goal should still be a return to the liberal status quo that was actually working quite well before American voters decided to break it anyway. I don't concede that the goose that laid the golden eggs is quite dead yet despite voters' attempts to kill it.

[–] ClassStruggle@lemmy.ml 6 points 4 hours ago

The status quo was not working, and the systems upholding it needs to be dismantled.

[–] AA5B@lemmy.world 0 points 1 hour ago

Agreed. That seems like the “good old days”. We had reason for hope, and change (even if that was the previous guys slogan). Government may have been slow and have way too much red tape but it generally seemed to do the right thing.