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[–] driving_crooner@lemmy.eco.br 50 points 5 days ago (5 children)

Pretty sure most of the medicine were done by us in the last 100/150 years

[–] musubibreakfast@lemmy.world 9 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Maybe we can find a way to have both? Science, research, health care and technical innovation don't need to go hand in hand with capitalism.

[–] BooBees@fedinsfw.app 10 points 5 days ago

Well that’s not how you get endless record quarterly profits, silly

[–] JasonDJ@lemmy.zip 7 points 5 days ago

True...but...

A lot of medicines are fully natural things that we've learned how to cultivate or synthesize with remarkable accuracy. Look at Aspirin/Salicylic acid (sourced from certain bark, iirc). Or Penicillin.

Insulin is another great example, something we've learned how to extract from pigs.

And now tons of medicines are biologic. We are finding all sorts of stuff in nature that we can borrow and make it grow inside of domesticated plants or animals.

When you get right down to it, everything we make came from the earth. Hell the phone I'm typing this on is really just a chunk of smart sand.

[–] shawn1122@sh.itjust.works 1 points 5 days ago

True if we're mainly focusing on pharmaceuticals and devices but theres more to medicine than that.

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[–] Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world 23 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

We weren't gifted anything. And any species will expand to consume all the available resources. We're just better at it than all the previous ones. The challenge now is to find an equilibrium, which is a totally new concept in the history of evolution on earth. The jury is very much out on this one.

[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 2 points 5 days ago

Yeah its a mystery

[–] calmblue75@lemmy.ml 1 points 3 days ago

Well, we also invented Buddhism, communism and veganism.

[–] Mulligrubs@lemmy.world 10 points 5 days ago (2 children)

Humans didn't invent war.

War and murder surrounds us, everywhere, from micro to macro, as we feed on each other to live.

It's a Murder Planet

[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 3 points 5 days ago

Apathetic bloody planet. I’ve no sympathy at all.

[–] Kolanaki@pawb.social 2 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (4 children)

The only other animals on the planet that go to war are ants. Most animals do not fight to the death, outside of predators going for prey to eat. And absolutely none of them have atomic bombs besides our stupid asses.

[–] Blackfeathr@lemmy.world 7 points 5 days ago (1 children)

There is also a chimpanzee civil war that's been going on for a while.

[–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 2 points 5 days ago

https://www.newsflare.com/video/509223/when-two-tribes-go-to-war-groups-of-monkeys-clash-in-southern-india

It's pretty common amongst primates. I recalled some monkey tribes in South America warring over territory but I couldn't find them.

[–] Mulligrubs@lemmy.world 5 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

This is incorrect, our close relatives go to war as noted already (and other animals besides, see lions vs. hyenas for example). And, animals fight to the death with frequency, also, even herbivores.

Atomic bombs are irrelevant to the topic, far more have been killed by other means for many thousands of years.

[–] bagsy@lemmy.world 4 points 5 days ago

umm, have you never seen a pack of baboons or chimps fight?

[–] SparroHawc@piefed.world 4 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Most animals do not fight to the death, outside of predators going for prey to eat.

The only reason this is true is because every moment of combat is dangerous - which means it is far safer to chase your opponent off, whether by intimidating them or wounding them. Humans are unique in that our tool use allows us to kill our enemies with a single blow. Animals besides ants that operate in large social groups can absolutely come into conflict with other groups, and engage in what can easily be considered warfare.

If you somehow managed to hand a rabbit a pistol and teach it how to use it, I guarantee there would be dead animals near its burrow.

[–] Tortellinius@lemmy.world 2 points 5 days ago

It also makes sense because, in a fight, you of course would use your most intimidating weapon first.

[–] 5ha99y@lemmus.org 12 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (4 children)

First of all, we are a product of it. We also demand nutrition, like any other animal. We work by the same principles like any other animal. We just have a large neocortex, which allows us to solve complex problems, which other animals cannot. We use this to our advantage like any other animal would do. I am not saying that it is the right thing we are doing but we grew out of primitivism and have much more complex problems at hand now, which mainly need us to reject our tribal behaviour and move past it. Many of these large problems are due to our tribalism. Why should we care about the world? We care about our loved ones only. Why should I give money to people I do not know? I would rather give it to my close ones. Everything else is a potential threat. Our tribalism doesn't function properly at this scale and we have to move past it somehow, while it is deeply natural for us to behave like this and at small scale also beneficial and not harmful to others.

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[–] uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 5 days ago

Part of the problem is plague, as in infectious disease. This factor drove us to evolve into preferring small separate tribes over big ones. Once your brain can't keep track of all the neighborhood, it starts wanting to categorize folks into groups, and separate us from them.

In fact, all of civilization is in defiance of some base instincts, in which we presume people of different color, who speak different languages, who have different cultures or worship different gods, all are indicators that they are dangerous.

In the time before livestock (from which we caught bunches of infectious diseases, died a lot and developed immunities), a mutant influenza was deadly and strangers were dangerous. And this is seen as empires explored new worlds, exposed indigenous peoples to their array of diseases and wiped them out.

As a note, since germ theory, we replaced segregation with robust communal disease control. And even then, movements rise up to distrust vaccines, masking, social distancing and even washing hands. The same shit that happened during the COVID-19 epidemic also happened during the Spanish Flu epidemic.

So we never really had time to evolve to meet the expanding size of civilization, and had to fake it. In small groups there's just not much political power to consolidate, but by the time we're making villages and cities, we start seeing classes beyond tribesman and chieftain.

What is curious is that we've proven that political power and advantage saps away empathy and respect for your fellow human, so any time there is a significant power differential, the working class feels expendable according to the working class. (They aren't, and some elites will preserve awareness of this, but it's difficult to be a billionaire and still respect wits and education when vibes are so easy.)

It doesn't help that the ownership class conspires among its own to preserve power within its group (all the while, individually contriving to seize the power of their peer for themselves -- avarice is brutal), so anytime we see in history an attempt to create a socialist democracy, capitalist interests act to sabotage the effort, including killing the organizers and sending in military force to seize power and install a puppet junta.

So yes, we really are bad at this, and are not merely going to drive ourselves to near extinction, but are also killing off most of the species across earth.

[–] Proprietary_Blend@lemmy.world 12 points 5 days ago (2 children)
[–] Sonotsugipaa@lemmy.dbzer0.com 15 points 5 days ago (2 children)

Didn't you hear?
Screenshots of body temperature takes from Twitter technically count as Memes according to some definitions, these are what we'll have to consume for the foreseeable future

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[–] darkmarx@lemmy.world 10 points 5 days ago (8 children)

Humans invented war? Tell that to ants, birds, bees, wasps, wolves, and millions of other animals. We just happen to be very good at it. If there's one thing to be said about humans, it's that we are ridiculously good at killing things.

[–] HugeNerd@lemmy.ca 3 points 5 days ago

I remember this was a thing in Larry Niven's "Known Space" sci-fi universe. Humans had become super peaceful because we were too good at war. The way it was achieved however was to have everyone medically pacified, except for a handful of selected people for their insight...

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[–] WanderWisley@lemmy.world 9 points 5 days ago

Only when the last tree has died and the last river poisoned and the last fish caught will we realize we cannot eat money.

Cree Native American proverb

[–] infinitesunrise@slrpnk.net 9 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (2 children)

I hate takes that condemn the whole of humanity for the evil of a powerful handful. That's basically conservative ideology.

[–] KyuubiNoKitsune@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 5 days ago (1 children)

If history teaches us one thing, it's that there's no shortage of horrible people.

[–] infinitesunrise@slrpnk.net 4 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

I've always felt the primary takeaway from a broad history education is the nature of power and how it's misallocation corrupts people. If your main takeaway from history is that "There were a lot of bad people" then I think you're missing out on a lot of critical nuance.

[–] KyuubiNoKitsune@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 5 days ago (1 children)

If we were inherently good, that wouldn't happen

[–] infinitesunrise@slrpnk.net 4 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

First, nobody claimed that we're inherently good either. Second, you definitely don't know that for sure and wouldn't be able to prove it if you had to. Third, the apparent need of some to reduce our conception of humanity to either good or evil is a loaded premise that is damaging and derailing to a more meaningful and useful understanding of humanity and should probably be unpacked on it's own elsewhere.

[–] KyuubiNoKitsune@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Well, I'll believe humanity isn't evil when we turn around and start treating each other well and look after the planet and it's inhabitants

[–] infinitesunrise@slrpnk.net 1 points 5 days ago

It starts with you and me!

[–] Dozzi92@lemmy.world 3 points 5 days ago (3 children)

It's religious nonsense, we're all sinners.

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It is almost like society is complex

[–] aceshigh@lemmy.world 4 points 5 days ago (1 children)

I don’t really see how this is important. Earth will heal once humans destroy themselves/their environment. Theoretically we should be trying to save earth for the next generation, but leaders think short term…. The next 3 months.

Earth will heal once humans destroy themselves/their environment

Depends on how ambitious we get with our fuckery. We could potentially create cascading environmental collapses that are bad enough to where we lose a huge chunk of biodiversity. Life will most likely continue on in some form, but it may never recover to be as complex and diverse as it is now.

[–] skooma_king@piefed.social 3 points 5 days ago

It’s because of the mosquitoes

[–] bagsy@lemmy.world 1 points 5 days ago

Humans just happen to be at the top of the food chain at this point in time. littereraly millions of other creatures have held the title before us, and millions more will after us. Circle of life an all that.

[–] FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 1 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

I can believe it.

Our species has repeatedly and reliably demonstrated its innate awfulness for the entirety of our history. If there is a way to exploit and be shitty to one another, we'll not only commit it, but we'll legalize it, normalize it, and pretend that not doing it is the weird thing.

[–] Vandals_handle@lemmy.world 5 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Indigenous peoples worldwide learned how to exist sustainably and some have done so for thousands of years. Not a universal human issue although some societies do be that way.

[–] FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 5 points 5 days ago

To an extent, yes, but they also did all of the awful things the other societies did too, including slavery, killing people over religion, and war among others.

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