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AI, in this case, refers to LLMs, GPT technology, and anything listed as "AI" meant to increase market valuations.

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[–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 3 points 13 hours ago

There are guardrails, at all journals. And we now need to upload raw data. People have been fucking around in science publications since Photoshop was invented.

[–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 21 points 23 hours ago (2 children)

Yeah its really bad. Its incredibly easy to be gaslit using gpts. And they do generate seemingly usable output. And I don't mean like, using them to analyze data. I mean just some code in an ipynb. And even there its incredibly rotten. Knowing and understanding what you are doing is the entirety of the point, and the whole AI industry misunderstands this. The code, the analyses, even the results, they're all secondary to understanding why something works the way that it does. Your individual comprehension is the part that matters.

[–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 0 points 13 hours ago (2 children)

Its incredibly easy to be gaslit using gpts

no scientist is going to be gaslit by ChatGPT

[–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 4 points 13 hours ago

I just spent two weeks undoing something a scientist did while being gaslit by a a gpt. I promise they do.

[–] NewOldGuard@lemmy.ml 1 points 10 hours ago

They are human beings too, and many don't understand this technology better than the public. It's easy to fall for the marketing and listen to these chat bots uncritically if you don't know better

[–] brem@lemmy.world 2 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

Good times create weak people but we are also experiencing bad times so hopefully more people will become better than the ones who don't.

[–] Witchfire@lemmy.world 1 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago) (1 children)

May I recommend the book The Fourth Turning? It might give you a glimmer of hope (sprinkled with a dash of salt)

[–] SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org 2 points 13 hours ago

Unscientific bullshit. It's so dumb that famous Nazi Steve Bannon made a movie about it.

[–] brem@lemmy.world 5 points 22 hours ago

Good guard rails are books and studies published before generative science became a thing.

Heck, even a 15 year old hard drive that sat on a shelf for 15 years with a few gigs of data and never got connected is already worth a ton.

It's like the plague or the dark ages, but electronic. And since so many people rely on this technology, it will be devastating in many ways after the inevitable implosion.

[–] homes@piefed.world -4 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago) (2 children)

If all of these scientists are as stupid as a bunch of school children using AI, why should we have ever trusted them in the first place?

If all of these allegedly brilliant scientists are so absurdly, dumb and untrustworthy, if they are so foolish as to be fooled by AI, then why did we ever trust them in the first place?

How stupid were the scientists? How stupid were we to think that they had any answers?

Perhaps we need better scientists that know better than to ever even ask AI anything

Monitor their Internet usage. If they ever use AI, just fire them. It doesn’t seem like a difficult problem to solve.

[–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 0 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago) (1 children)

Sorry about your grade 10 chemistry mark.

Also, check out the 2024 Nobel Prize for Chemistry. Warning: some big words.

[–] homes@piefed.world 1 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago)

It’s surprisingly easy to make a cogent argument against AI (or any argument at all) without insulting others.

Try it sometime

[–] okamiueru@lemmy.world 2 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago) (1 children)

Most people use LLMs poorly and irresponsible. Most problems they are used for, are a poor choice as well. That doesn't mean they cannot be useful.

[–] homes@piefed.world 0 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago) (3 children)

Oh, I forgot that the entirety of science didn’t exist before AI, and can’t exist without AI. Since science is entirely dependent on using AI exclusively for 100% of all thought, we’re obviously all fucked.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

You’re making the argument that the deadly deadly poison is only deadly if you drink too much of it, or drink it incorrectly. I elect not to drink the deadly, deadly poison — any of it at all.

[–] okamiueru@lemmy.world 0 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago) (1 children)

Not really what I'm saying. More along the lines of: poison is bad to drink, but great for killing weed.

As for LLMs and sciences (and most fields): "drinking poison" -> "treating LLM output as factual". "killing weed" -> "some otherwise mundane language transformation that you verify the correctness of".

[–] homes@piefed.world 1 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago) (1 children)

poison is bad to drink, but great for killing weed.

But that’s not what you said, nor is it the argument you’re making

The pursuit of science by humanity has made it this far for thousands of years. And has done so quite successfully without AI poisoning that pursuit. You have yet to make the argument that the poison of AI is in any way helpful.

Because you can’t. Because it isn’t.

Ignore the evidence at your own peril. I will not.

[–] okamiueru@lemmy.world 0 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

It kinda seems to me you're deciding both sides of the argument. It's like a straw man monologue show.

[–] homes@piefed.world 0 points 8 hours ago

Arriving at a conclusion without evidence… Exactly the danger that AI presents.

[–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 0 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

"We should stop using chainsaws and cut down these trees with our teeth"

[–] homes@piefed.world 1 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago)

Yet, for thousands of years, cutting down these trees with our teeth worked surprisingly well.…

Proven by that tiny little computer in your hand that you’re typing your response upon

[–] disorderly@lemmy.world 0 points 15 hours ago (2 children)

"The poison is in the dose".

Also, what an astonishingly uncritical perspective. I think there are plenty of legitimate concerns to raise about LLMs in science, but there's a reason that researchers are adopting these tools. I suspect it's because there's a ton of rote work in the field (literature review, analysis, drafting a document...) and they're under great pressure to publish on an accelerating cadence.

[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 1 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

but there’s a reason that researchers are adopting these tools.

Yeah, it's how you get grant money.

[–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 2 points 13 hours ago

Oh really, and tell us..how much of that grant money goes to the actual scientist who wrote the grant?

[–] homes@piefed.world 0 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago)

“I had to drink the poison because I was under pressure”

Somehow, this doesn’t ring true. Are you defending scientific discovery, or are you defending corporate pressure? Or are you just defending poison? either way, this sounds like bullshit.

it's because there's a ton of rote work in the field

So now it’s OK just because scientists are suddenly lazy? You gotta be kidding.