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It sucks that we had no realistic (as in actually able to win) alternative. Not exactly thrilled with him, but he is clearly better than the other possible leader we could have been stuck with.
Honestly, dude, fuck off. Carney and the Liberals are barely better than the Conservatives. They’re basically the same party at this point except the LPC won’t outlaw gay marriage.
I’m getting so fucking tired of this “no realistic alternative” bullshit being followed up with directed weakening of it. People will ignore and downplay and not support the NDP and then go “see, no one voted for them!”, often times looking at seats and ignoring total votes cast, too. 2021 election had them get over half the votes of the Liberals but the way people talked you’d think they had ten supporters, tops.
This is a country of cowards who are just handing our rights over to conservatives whose only campaign practice for a decade has been to use their slightly worse counterpart as a boogeyman so we never elect anyone who can actually get shit done for us. The least you could do is not perpetuate this nonsense “no realistic alternative” line for them.
He's Mark Harper. He would have led the PCs if they weren't so many nutjobs in the party funded by the USA. He killed the carbon levy to get elected.
We can criticize politicians all we want, but Canadians don't actually want green policies, because they vote against them, or they don't give a shit enough to vote at all. So in the end, we got a government that formed a majority with PC MPs who sold out on some back door deal.
So much like the US, we now have a one party system. If he fucks up, the backlash will net a Fascist government in Canada that will make Donald Trump look like Che Guevara. This is because Canadians never vote for anyone, they vote angry against incumbents when their entitlement is threatened.
Yup yup yup. I was asked by a street corner CTV person about my opinion in the mayoral election and I said we needed to vote progressive, and that it’s all well and good to want to change, but it has to be real and positive change, not just change for the sake of it.
I’m just so tired of everyone refusing to treat the NDP with any damn respect. They have policies that are shown to work all over the world and yet they’re “dreamers” while the population at large just keeps chasing the same old conservative bullshit.
This. He's not a climate guy. But the alternatives would destroy the environment to spite people who want to protect it.
At least Carney can be reasoned with.
From what I understand, he used to be greener. But there's a lot at stake to play ball with... and Trump is volatile. So is Danielle Smith...
I was expecting his leadership to reflect his book values more, but the complexity of geopolitics, or some other factor, has put that aside.
Agreed. There's definitely an element of Realpolitik at play. The USA is creating a power vacuum and Canada needs to fill enough of that void in the short term to maintain leverage long term.
I don't know much about China or Russia but I'm going to assume their billionaire oligarchs as equally soulless as the cretins that rule western nations.
Did anyone ever think he was a climate guy? He was voted for mostly being neither Trudeau nor Poilievre. It's been a big positive otherwise that he's a true statesman, but I can't imagine what would have made anyone think he was a climate guy.
First thing he did was kill the carbon levy, misbranded by our US owned media as a "tax".
Oh has he been? Like the attacking unions and workers strikes, fucking around with pipelines, helping private O&G companies take our stuff, or floating the idea of privatizing airports? Or his sovereign wealth fund that doesn’t actually work the way one of those should? There are all the ads I see about how the government is supposedly saving me money but the net effect if their actions is doing worse for me than before. Oh, and let us not forget about how he’s giving over $8bil in 50% off development fee funding to Ontario so that private home builders can pocket some extra money while they continue to raise prices, all paid for by us because he won’t tax rich people.
Yea, real statesmanlike behaviour. He’s just another piece of shit conservative whose only positive is that he doesn’t seem to hate gay people.
The people who appointed him UN special envoy for climate action probably thought he was a climate guy. The people who read his book (not me) seemed to think he was a climate guy. The people who believed his election campaign promises might've thought he was a climate guy. He probably still thinks he's a climate guy.
He talks a lot about the importance of climate change, so it comes as a surprise to quite a few people that he doesn't seem to be in favour of doing anything about it.
I read his book. My impression was he'd stop the orphan grinding machine... not make it solar powered.
What kbal said, but also, let's be real here: nobody who's not taking the climate emergency seriously is a "true statesman". It's just plain unserious and irresponsible, like calling a junkie who says "oh I'll just have one shot of heroin this Friday and I'm going to check myself into rehab Monday" committed to getting clean. That's not statesmanship, it's just profound luck of seriousness in the face of overwhelming evidence. Any politician who's not "a climate guy" is by definition a clown.
Exactly! The climate is a major issue facing the entire planet, even the fucking US army considers it a threat, so to act like it’s not important is immediate disqualification from being able to say you care about the country.
Besides, it’s not like he’s actually done anything else statesmanlike, either.
This is my third attempt to comment without relaying my disgust at all these stupid questions.
Fuck off you nitwits!
No one who understands what bankers stand for ever thought he would be a climate guy.