It sucks that we had no realistic (as in actually able to win) alternative. Not exactly thrilled with him, but he is clearly better than the other possible leader we could have been stuck with.

[–] Soup@lemmy.world 0 points 8 hours ago (2 children)

Honestly, dude, fuck off. Carney and the Liberals are barely better than the Conservatives. They’re basically the same party at this point except the LPC won’t outlaw gay marriage.

I’m getting so fucking tired of this “no realistic alternative” bullshit being followed up with directed weakening of it. People will ignore and downplay and not support the NDP and then go “see, no one voted for them!”, often times looking at seats and ignoring total votes cast, too. 2021 election had them get over half the votes of the Liberals but the way people talked you’d think they had ten supporters, tops.

This is a country of cowards who are just handing our rights over to conservatives whose only campaign practice for a decade has been to use their slightly worse counterpart as a boogeyman so we never elect anyone who can actually get shit done for us. The least you could do is not perpetuate this nonsense “no realistic alternative” line for them.

[–] refreeze@lemmy.world 1 points 46 minutes ago

In my riding the NDP got 3.5% of the vote. I would absolutely prefer an NDP government but they were never going to win in my riding.

[–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 2 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

He's Mark Harper. He would have led the PCs if they weren't so many nutjobs in the party funded by the USA. He killed the carbon levy to get elected.

We can criticize politicians all we want, but Canadians don't actually want green policies, because they vote against them, or they don't give a shit enough to vote at all. So in the end, we got a government that formed a majority with PC MPs who sold out on some back door deal.

So much like the US, we now have a one party system. If he fucks up, the backlash will net a Fascist government in Canada that will make Donald Trump look like Che Guevara. This is because Canadians never vote for anyone, they vote angry against incumbents when their entitlement is threatened.

[–] Soup@lemmy.world 1 points 7 hours ago

Yup yup yup. I was asked by a street corner CTV person about my opinion in the mayoral election and I said we needed to vote progressive, and that it’s all well and good to want to change, but it has to be real and positive change, not just change for the sake of it.

I’m just so tired of everyone refusing to treat the NDP with any damn respect. They have policies that are shown to work all over the world and yet they’re “dreamers” while the population at large just keeps chasing the same old conservative bullshit.

[–] Canconda@lemmy.ca 7 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

This. He's not a climate guy. But the alternatives would destroy the environment to spite people who want to protect it.

At least Carney can be reasoned with.

[–] CaperGrrl79@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 day ago (2 children)

From what I understand, he used to be greener. But there's a lot at stake to play ball with... and Trump is volatile. So is Danielle Smith...

[–] FireRetardant@lemmy.world 1 points 8 hours ago

I was expecting his leadership to reflect his book values more, but the complexity of geopolitics, or some other factor, has put that aside.

[–] Canconda@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Agreed. There's definitely an element of Realpolitik at play. The USA is creating a power vacuum and Canada needs to fill enough of that void in the short term to maintain leverage long term.

I don't know much about China or Russia but I'm going to assume their billionaire oligarchs as equally soulless as the cretins that rule western nations.