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[–] Fmstrat@lemmy.world 6 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Ah yes, another headline with no context.

“Yes, I have actually no problem selling any book, as long as it doesn’t masquerade or pretend to be something that it isn’t,” the British businessman responded. “And that it has an essential quality to it, and that the customer, the reader, wants it.”

“So as long as an AI-written book says it’s an AI-written book and doesn’t pretend to be something else and isn’t ripping off somebody else, as long as that’s clearly stated and the customer wants to buy it, then we will stock them.”

[–] Holytimes@sh.itjust.works 1 points 17 hours ago

Honestly the most fair take iv ever heard.

Hate or love AI it's here it's staying. The pandoras box is open.

Hate or love how it's trained, the fundamental truth is it's here and it's staying.

This isn't the first or the last time a tool or technique will be built off theft, slave labor or mass murder and atrocities to just name a few awful things that have progressed us forward.

All that matters going forward is we do what we have always done. Socially agree to manage and regulate it. Push for laws and legal regulations to be put into place to protect the weakest and vulnerable.

Then to the best of our ability use the new tool to improve our lives, others lives, create new art and hobbies, and find a place for the tool.

Every tool in all of History has had some good come from its creation. So if people find a way to make stories, art, music or other creations using it. And they enjoy it, then that's all that matters. If others also enjoy it then there's no reason to tell people to not share.

Massive models with their data centers are a step too fair at the moment and likey always will be. But locally ran models are a fun toy and a fun tool.

So if someone makes an ai book, is clear and honest it's an ai book, then wether or not it's well written or not. If it's enjoyable or not. Is up to the consumer of the work.

Its not like ai can't create neat things.

Sure I get his position.... But he's wrong. AI books will devalue romance, penny novels, sci-fi and many more quick and dirty type of writings.

[–] agent_nycto@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I mean ai by nature is ripping someone off but ok. Thanks for posting the context though, much appreciated

[–] Fmstrat@lemmy.world 0 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Oh yea, I don't actually like it, and would rather they refuse. But it's not as bad as the headline makes it seem.

[–] username123@sh.itjust.works -1 points 2 days ago

It's worse. Sugarcoating bullshit to make it more palatable while having at least all of the negative effect that was originally imagined.

[–] kandykarter@lemmy.ca 58 points 4 days ago (6 children)

Honestly, I hope they do. It'd be funny to see the sales figures. I don't care how much anyone likes AI, but nobody wants to read AI novels.

[–] Fredselfish@lemmy.world 24 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Will they label which books are AI? No law says they have to. Now never can shop there ever again because can't trust the books.

[–] Holytimes@sh.itjust.works -1 points 17 hours ago

That's the sort of logic that results in you becoming miserable and living alone in the woods.

The amount of shit built off the backs of theft is endless. Ai is not new to that. The entire crux of this logic is flawed. I hate ai but I also am educated enough to understand that if I tried to cut out every product, good and service that's built off the back of theft, slave labor, murder, war, etc. I might as well just throw my self off a cliff.

There's functionally nothing that isn't build off atrocities. That's unfortunately how basically much of humanity has progressed.

Just accept it and move on. You can't stop awful shit from creating new things. So enjoy what little time you have on this planet. And don't fuck yourself over just because you have the icky over something dumb.

There's plenty of things ai related to be angry at. Some idiots selling generated book slop is not one of them.

[–] bigbangdangler@reddthat.com 8 points 3 days ago

Yeah, this is a major issue across the board. For a wide variety of products, if they clearly marked which were AI generated, then the sales would likely speak for themselves.

But companies don't really want to do this. They want to mix AI slop in with regular products, so that over time, the average consumer dumbs down enough to no longer know the difference. Then they just generate every product ever and number go up.

This still ignores the fact that no one will have money to put into the system from the bottom (which is the only way it flows in an economy), but here we are.

[–] LastYearsIrritant@sopuli.xyz 11 points 3 days ago (2 children)

I don't get why people think they can have a career as a LLM middleman.

If I wanted to read a book written by a plagiarism machine about a subject I want, I'll just ask it myself.

I don't need someone else to ask it to write a book.

Same for LLM movies, or music.

If Hollywood thinks it can fire all the creatives and just spam out LLM generated content, well, so can the audience...

[–] Holytimes@sh.itjust.works 1 points 17 hours ago

The problem is getting an LLM to do anything is a tediously annoying slog if you want it to do anything substantial.

It would almost be as much work as writing a good chunk of a book as it would to use an LLM to do it.

You would basically be playing editor to a functionally middle school fanfic writer. Its worse then just reading human or ai slop in the first place. Lol

It's like anything. I can cook my own food. That doesn't mean I don't go out to restaurants sometimes. I could use an LLM myself to write a novel. But it wouldn't be the same novel. And there is some skill in prompt writing. Even then, just the sheer time to generate a novel-length coherent work from small snippets of chat windows is still a large investment of time.

[–] LodeMike@lemmy.today 4 points 3 days ago

I would rather read... anything else? It's not like we have a shortage of books and especially not bad books.

[–] MagicShel@lemmy.zip 8 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Can confirm. I use AI quite a bit, including writing stories where I have editorial control (that's a dumb decision, she does the other thing!). The best AIs might be able to manage one short passable chapter, but it's going to be shot quality without massive amounts of hand holding and rewriting.

It can be entertaining in a choose your own adventure sense where each page really only needs to be barely coherent and minimally cohesive with the other pages. I sure as hell wouldn't pay $25 for an AI-penned book.

[–] greyscale@lemmy.grey.ooo 6 points 4 days ago (1 children)

use AI quite a bit

shot quality

heh

[–] MagicShel@lemmy.zip 7 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Hey well at least typos serve as a marker that everything is human written. You know, for all the comments about how AI is fancy autocorrect, why the hell is autocorrect still such fucking garbage??? Just do the things with the damn thing already!

[–] Rai@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 4 days ago (1 children)

It’s funny that LLMs generally have stellar spelling and grammar, but LLM/AI assisted autocorrect, at least the version on the iPhone, is horribly inferior to standard autocorrect.

Now that I read what you said again, I think I just said the same thing with other words. But I’m so tired I’m just writing what I’m thinking and I should go to sleep, but I’m here writing what I’m thinking.

Anyway, I agree with you!

[–] ParlimentOfDoom@piefed.zip 1 points 2 days ago

Your iPhone doesn't have to boil a lake to make those corrections slightly better, though.

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[–] Jarix@lemmy.world 35 points 4 days ago (3 children)

Finally a book burning tradition I can support starting

The first book burning where 0 knowledge is lost.

[–] Insekticus@aussie.zone 13 points 4 days ago (2 children)

So long as you steal the books - absolutely don't give them a cent or we're just supporting the industry.

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[–] mctoasterson@reddthat.com 14 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

Now to fuck up their plan by training their AI on House of Leaves.

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[–] workerONE@lemmy.world 20 points 4 days ago

It was a greasy Thursday morning and the air smelled of Novocaine and Pepsi. Gary shifted in his seat to take the weight off of his ears.

[–] badgermurphy@lemmy.world 10 points 3 days ago (3 children)

There are jurisdictions where AI content can't be copyrighted. I don't see how an AI-written book could even exist in those places, since anyone could post it online for anyone to read.

[–] FatCrab@slrpnk.net 4 points 3 days ago

Effectively China is the only major market where AI generated outputs are granted copyright. And even then, it's a hard maybe. This makes zero sense to me as a business move.

[–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 2 points 3 days ago

You can find many copyrighted works online, people still buy them.

[–] isleepinahammock@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 2 days ago (1 children)

This isn't really true. The courts have held that there needs to be some human involvement, but that involvement can be pretty minimal.

[–] badgermurphy@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago

That seems a strange carve out considering that no LLMs do anything without prompting, presumably by a human. Depending on the wording, the law may literally be unable to apply to any real scenarios.

But if that's the case, perhaps a page out of the SovCit playbook would work: bombard them with lawsuits for copyrighting the work to prove it was written with human involvement.

[–] Crit@lemmy.wtf 9 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Why the fuck would anyone buy an AI generated book instead of... Generating their own? If they generate it they even get to change the story on the fly, a printed out AI book is like the worst lmao

[–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 3 points 3 days ago (1 children)

You assume the buyer would know.

[–] queueBenSis@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 days ago

and that the buyer wants to create the story. believe it or not, some people just want to read something that came out of someone else’s imagination (in the case of fiction). AI just facilitates the story telling for the idea originator (FKA author)

[–] TipRing@lemmy.world 19 points 4 days ago

When I worked at B&N way back in the day the policy was to sell any book that was legal to sell, though many would have to be ordered. In that regard, as long as AI slop is legal to sell I don't have any particular problem with a store selling it.

I wouldn't buy it, of course. It's bound to be wretched.

[–] lemmyng@lemmy.world 13 points 4 days ago

Then I back no longer walking into a Barnes & Nobles and giving them my time or business.

I've got the archive for a better selection of books.

[–] Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 15 points 4 days ago (1 children)

So this is how society crumbles. Not with a nuclear explosion. Not with war. But instead with brain crippling stupidity. This is the world we live in now. Book stores filled with romance novels about Romeo and Julie. Where the author writes a bit about biting the thumb, but it goes in a very literal, violent and bloody direction that's supposed to be romantic.

Never thought I'd live to see the day where smart people AVOID reading books!

[–] orclev@lemmy.world 4 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Every day we get a little closer to Idiocracy being real.

[–] MadMadBunny@lemmy.ca 6 points 4 days ago

Oh, we’re way past "close", much too deep in it.

[–] phutatorius@lemmy.zip 8 points 4 days ago (3 children)

As long as they are clearly marked as AI-generated, I can safely ignore it.

Oh, yeah, and also: Barnes and Noble is still in business?

[–] Simulation6@sopuli.xyz 7 points 4 days ago

The one near me has a large kids section and a number of events for kids. They also have a coffee shop and pleasant reading area. I think they still also sell books.

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[–] artyom@piefed.social 11 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

Why would I pay money to purchase a genAI book when I could just have Copilot gen me one up at home!?

[–] FrChazzz@lemmus.org 3 points 4 days ago

This right here.

[–] ThePowerOfGeek@lemmy.world 11 points 4 days ago

Fine, just as long as they contain all of it in an "AI Slop" section.

[–] FireWire400@lemmy.world 3 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Can't wait to read about people dying because they believed AI-generated books on foraging, or medicine, or BDSM... The LEAST they could do is label the books as AI.

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[–] BigTrout75@lemmy.world 4 points 4 days ago

There's probably arleady a bunch on the shelves. This is good new for smaller indie bookstores.

[–] CapuccinoCoretto@lemmy.world 5 points 4 days ago

I back AI CEOs. Can't do much worse.

[–] MadMadBunny@lemmy.ca 4 points 4 days ago

WHAT THE FUCK.

Spent the past decade writing a novel, put so much effort on it. chances are that this bullshit will make it impossible for me to get it published

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