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MeanwhileOnGrad

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Meanwhile On Grad
Documenting hate speech, conspiracy theories, apologia/revisionism, and general tankie behaviour across the fediverse. Memes are welcome!
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I find it so incredibly funny that the graph is basically "Yeah all opinions different from mine are pure evil, while mine is well-learned and righteous as always."
Not even an attempt at nuance.
Also, my opinion is identical to the Russian propaganda.
Wtf are they talking about "slavic peoples" XDDD. Ukrainians are slavic and the hateful bullshit russian propaganda spreads about them is beyond repulsive. No one dehumanises slavs more than other slavs tbh.
Fuuuuck russian disinfo. This shit has been spreading everywhere now. It's worryingly easy for well-meaning western "leftists" to fall for it because well, yes, amerika bad, maybe even worse than them if you compare some metrics of the destruction and death, but like, wtf is this twisted version of morality, that's just not how things work?!
It's also easy for anglos to deny or make up anything about russia because it's just not their cultural sphere, runet is kind of its own thing, so they can claim "oh that's all just american propaganda", "putinism can't be that bad if things are bad here in the west too", "russia fights imperialism" etc. The news on russia they have access to are filtered by western interest press, so this reaction isn't surprising.
One interesting thing is that russian propaganda comes in the right-wing flavour too, especially in central/eastern europe. And those memes are basically the same lol, just with extra/more overt racism.
If you start cheering for state violence and defending genocides, splash some cold water on your face or something and consider what you really want to fight for and why you're "leftist" in the first place. Liberation for all people!
The goal of the "slavic" bullshit is to claim there are no Ukrainians. Or any other Slavic people besides russians. According to them, we're all secretly russians that were led astray by the evil West™.
I was about to downvote this post
Dessalines is a fascist, you say things they don't like and they will just ban you and delete your comments instead of engaging with your comments.
I have made it a point to block any community they moderate.
Let's be honest, when they say you're banned for being impolite, it really means you say things they don't like they cannot argue against.
They do not trust their weak-minded followers won't be pulled away from them. Which is not to say there all week-minded, there are a lot of great people in these Subs.
I was stupid enough to engage with them on a similar topic and after like 20-30 comments where they ignored evidence, lied about things that have never actually happened, blatantly misconstrued evidence from completely unrelated events and moved their goal posts so far that they might as well be in another stadium they simply removed all my comments so nobody would be able to see the evidence showing how wrong they were.
Pretty stupid of me and since lemmy.ml has gone down the drain content wise I love the idea of simply blocking the instance, as stupid as it sounds, did never think about it so far.
I've seen it! It got deleted? Not even surprised. You did a good job anyway. Thx.
I can't even keep em on topic for 2 comments in a row. On a post making fun of "two things can be bad" as falling for propaganda, someone pointed out the outright nazi shit putin says. Someone comes back with literal "whatabout Ukraine."
Does that mean one sides nazism justified another? Or that they actually do think both sides can have negative qualities at once? Hell if I know, when I asked they said that's a strawman and didn't even explain what the whataboutism meant.
Dude is almost directly quoting Russian state media and doesn't even realize he is just parroting a narrative*.
This is why you don't listen to state media, kids. If you hear something on repeat, over and over, you eventually begin to believe those words are true, without realizing it. Confirmation bias quickly kills any remainder of independent thought.
It's a nasty process. If you have ever seen someone have their rational thought destroyed by MAGA, it's the same thing. Rational discussions are pointless: They always degrade into pre-canned political talking points, whataboutisms and blaming others.
* I have often wondered if he parrots misleading narratives with purpose. ml is a perfect recruiting space for trolls and does function well enough to amplify fake or misleading news, after all.
He could easily be linked to one of the many Russian internet influence campaigns.
Yep. Could be parroting Russian state narrative because he's getting paid by the Russian state to do so.
I'm not sure if it's just a Dessalines thing or a Marxist-Leninist thing but communists (tankies specifically) tend have auth-leaning tendencies (which they will defend to the death). A lot of their views seem reactionary to just be anti-west in general. Let's support Russia because it's "against the west"!.
Though they are for state power anyway so this should be a natural consequence.
when you're in the cult - you are in the cult
ain't no other way
oddly enough this person had loads of good will with the creation of lemmy to gently push socialism and commieness through the fediverse
the radicalisation is too addictive i guess
I am fairly new to Lemmy and was slightly bewildered by the relentless Tankie propaganda going on. I am not talking about left criticism of capitalism but full blown glorification of Russian and Chinese imperialism, justification of wars of aggression and denial or justification of war crimes etc.
Then I figured out to block the .ml instance and things have gone mostly back to normal. I am still a bit uneasy about having to block the instance of the main developer but so what ...
I'd also recommend blocking the other 2 instances of the Tankie triad, Hexbear and lemmygrad. They're like .ml, but much worse, .ml tries to do their shenanigans with subtlety. The rest of the triad....not so much lol
Yeah blocking .ml makes browsing lemmy soooo much better
A significant portion of the blame for this conflict can be put on the USA, but you'd have to be delusional to make excuses for Russia. Genuinely who in their right mind thinks Putin is a good guy? Or Russian oligarchs? They're just as bad as American presidents and oligarchs, except Russian [wanna-be] Empire is fairly weak, so it's not as big a threat as the US Empire.
Please elaborate how exactly the "significant portion of the blame" for the US comes to be. Also please explain how attributing "significant portion of the blame" to the US does at least not partially "excuse" Russia.
And while you are at it, please explain how the Russian regime that openly states that its ambition is the destruction of the Ukranian nation (which amounts to genocide) and is also engaging towards this goal in the areas it occupies, is merely equally as bad or as much of a threat (or even less so) in the Ukranian context as the US regime.
Post cold war understanding was that there was going to be a buffer zone between Russia and Nato. Ukraine being brought into Nato or the EU was a known line in the sand that the US crossed. Does that absolve Russia of their aggression? No it does not. But it is like with Pearl Harbor, the US blockade of Japan provoked them to attack. Does not absolve Japan, but the idea they attacked purely out of their own aggression is false.
What gives the country Russia the right or privilege to force a "buffer zone" on entire other nations again, or rather, them into Russian vassalage?
Never mind that Ukraine was neither in the process of joining NATO or the EU. Both were very unrealistic prospects in 2014 during the first invasion as well as in 2022 at the 2nd invasion. Who joins the EU is outside of US control, quite plainly and the joining NATO could be prevented by sympathetic governments within NATO if it were a thing to begin with (Even Sweden's bid was delayed substantially by Hungary/Turkey and that was a far less controversial case).
Indeed if keeping Ukraine out of NATO and EU had been the aim, that would have been far more effective and billions of Euros cheaper too, never mind about a few hundred thousand able and young Russians still being alive and productive instead of in a grave. On top of it all, if NATO enlargement was the aim, what good did an invasion do again that directly caused NATO enlargement multiplying the direct NATO-Russian border? Its all very irrational indeed. The arguments don't fit together, if we assume Russia is a rational actor.
The way I see it, Russia did not attack because of what the US did, it attacked because of what Ukrainians did but I know, that does not fit into the narrative that Russians like to believe in themselves. It also does not fit into the imperialist world view in which only the imperial capital can have agency or legitimacy. Maidan was a mass movement. The US might have been supportive but it was not really within their control either to secure the survival of the old Russian controlled regime. This has never been about the fear towards the US or NATO. It has always been about the ambition to rebuilt the Russian empire that was lost to the collapse of the Soviet Union which also lost because it collapsed under its own weight, not because of foreign intervention.
And because of that I find it hard to see the blame on the US, as that aim of reestablishing Empire and regain control of lost realms was independent from anything the US has done. It is an ambition that is deeply rooted not only in Putin but wide parts of the Russian elite as well.
I had some interaction with them on an .ml post today, which i can't respond to due to the ban hammer (imagine that).
There's reality, there's perspective, and there's spin.
But then there's blatant lies and propaganda.
That's how they roll at the .ml
The Grand Tour explains what the Russians are doing to quietly steal land from Georgia. Literally moving the border markers at night.

I just picked up a permanent ban there too for rule 2.
Did you receive your CIA paycheck tho? Mine has been held up again. I'm thinking of establishing a CIA shill union.
At least you got paid, they'll do it for free!
Tankies gonna tank
SaltFreeBae just keeps proving that he's got absolutely no understanding of geopolitics, and that he lives in a fantasy world where half of reality is whatever he makes it up to be on the spot.