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Always has been

Until they stop the multiple genocides they are committing. This is bad, but it doesn't even cast a shadow next to the thousands and thousands of children they have murdered...

I couldn't make an orc or goblin that ugly in any fantasy.

It's almost like that was the whole point of the operation. To quote the first British governor of Jerusalem, Sir Ronald Storrs, the plan was to create "a little loyal Jewish Ulster in a sea of potentially hostile Arabism".

It was always colonialism.

creation of a Jewish state in the middle of a muslim area.

That is not the issue with Israel. Jews lived peacefully among Muslims and Christians in Palestine, the problems started when they started immigrating from Europe to displace indigenous Palestinians on the bases of religious superiority and exclusivity.

The problem with Israel is not that they wanted to create a Jewish only state (that's a different issue), it's that they wanted to colonize and ethnically cleanse Palestine to do it.

Jewish state in the middle of a muslim area

The problem isn't really the muslims here, nor the jewish supremacy. If you kick 700,000 people of any religion, creed, race, whatever off of the land they've lived on for centuries so you can start living there, you're going to have a problem.

Jews can live anywhere

In the context where zionism was conceived (late 19th century Europe), this is false. Actual antisemitism was rampant in all of Europe. They were being lynched in the streets, and discriminated against on levels that are unimaginable today. And it was completely normal too! It is impossible to overstate what an awful place Europe was for the jews. And this is before the holocaust!

There were some brave jews who organized and armed themselves and fought back, with the motto "here, where I live, is my country". This was the bund, and they were like the jewish version of the black panthers before the black panthers were ever a thing. Organized schools and mutual aid and all that, too. Truly heroic people.

The other solution is to run away, to colonize some other place (maybe Uganda, maybe Argentina, maybe Palestine) and become the master race there. This is zionism. You know which solution the antisemitic western governments preferred. And it makes sense, right? Imagine you hate jews, imagine you're an actual antisemite, and a member of british parliament. And now the jews come to you to say, "hey we'll just move to another country, get out of your hair". That's cause for celebration! Not only are you getting rid of the jews, but they're volunteering to leave! And that's how you get the Balfour declaration.

Anyway fuck pissrael.

Not even all Jews. Arab Jews have been living their for thousands of years. Before they became Arabianized. Israel is a state for Ashkenazi Jews and only Ashkenazis.

Israel could habe been created anywhere and thr locsl people would react similarly to palestinians. Nobody want a state forced on them.

Those who thought it was a great idea were fucking morons.

They were not morons and perfectly conscious of the potential consequences.

A decade or so ago they murdered an unarmed 19-year-old American citizen in international waters with zero consequences.

Israel was not held accountable before Trump either

US has been overly protective of and generous to Israel since the day they completed Nazi Germany's plan of moving "the Jews" to a new land. They even assassinated the first US president who called Israel out for having an unexplainable level of control over the US government.

stop all exports of kerrygold to the united states. I'm only half joking. hit us in the stomach. no more butter, no more cheese, no more beer. Those are our three favorite things in the whole world. Yes, more than oil. we can make all that stuff ourselves for way cheaper but holy shit do comfortable people love Irish dairy.

The US is manifestly not a democracy. When was the last time the working class, you know the group that makes up 90% of the population, actually held political power? No, all of the power is held by capitalists, who use it to enforce their system of authoritarian exploitation.

USA is also a democracy

Is it though?

Nothing can justify genocide or murdering random people at sea. Ever. It doesn't matter who is doing it. The breaking of international law needs to have consequences.

It seems like a lot of people today have a hard time to not justify atrocities.

I don't think the Irish are neutral on this.

They've seen occupation and genocide at home, and are not forgiving of it.