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[–] yeather@lemmy.ca 1 points 7 hours ago

https://www.msn.com/en-us/politics/government/mamdani-unveils-nyc-budget-buoyed-by-state-bailout/ar-AA231yRz

They got bailed out by the state, along with delayed pensions, and shifting financial burdens from the city to the state that had been previously moved under Governor Cuomo.

[–] merc@sh.itjust.works 28 points 1 day ago (4 children)

The largest share — about $2.3 billion over two years — is expected to come from the city’s delaying certain pension payments, a change that requires state approval and buy-in from municipal unions.

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To balance this year’s budget, Mr. Mamdani is proposing to delay payments into New York City’s pension funds.

The city has five pension funds representing teachers, police officers, firefighters and other unionized municipal workers. The returns, which are invested, total about $300 billion.

The mayor’s plan, which would save $2.3 billion through the end of the upcoming fiscal year, would involve restructuring the city’s contributions to the funds following an overhaul instituted in 2013 by Bill de Blasio, then the mayor of New York City, and Andrew M. Cuomo, then the governor. At that time, the mayor changed the city’s pension payment obligations following a drop in the assumed rate of return, to 7 percent from 8 percent.

(and fucking, of course: "Police officers’ pensions would be unaffected by the proposed change, as their union, the Police Benevolent Association, is opposed to the plan.")

https://archive.ph/XARnw (NY Times)

So, it sounds like the biggest contribution to the balanced budget is to push problems down the road and delay funding pensions. To a certain extent I get it. He was left with a time bomb that was about to go off, and if he can balance the budget (even if it's by delaying pension payments) he can defuse that time bomb and get some breathing room. I would hope that the unions accept the pension delay because I think having him as mayor is going to pay off for them in the long term.

It's clear that this budget isn't really balanced, at least not long term. It sounds like he's still going to have to make some hard decisions, either cutting benefits or raising revenues. It sounds like one item that needs addressing is the cost per student in NYC which is twice as high as other places. That's going to involve making some hard decisions and taking on some powerful special interests.

And of course, if he can actually fix NYC's biggest problem (the NYPD) he'll go a long way to solving the other probems.

[–] flop_leash_973@lemmy.world 1 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago)

No one gets elected for having a well reasoned plan to actually bring down a budget deficit these days in the long term. The voter can't or won't accept that fixing something that took years to create will take years to get out of. And admitting that is electoral suicide.

[–] Brainsploosh@lemmy.world 3 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

All debt is "kicking the can down the road" in some way, having a plan for it seems better than not though.

[–] merc@sh.itjust.works 1 points 7 hours ago

Except with most debt you're making incremental payments toward it. This is skipping one of your scheduled payments and then claiming that your budget is balanced.

[–] kkj@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 points 1 day ago (1 children)

That's the biggest individual contribution, but it was only about 20% of the deficit. The other 80% was actually solved, as far as I can tell.

[–] merc@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 day ago (2 children)

A huge chunk of it was state spending, or the state agreeing not to force the city to meet state mandates:

Earlier this year, Ms. Hochul committed $1.5 billion in state aid for a host of municipal services. The state budget, which has not yet been finalized, is also expected to include a host of policy changes and revenue increases that will funnel another $4 billion to the city over the next two years.

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The city is expected to save another $1 billion over two years from several changes, including the state’s expected agreement to delay a class-size mandate in public schools (despite Mr. Mamdani’s support for the mandate as a candidate); more school aid from the state; and the assumption by the state of a larger share of death benefits for families of police officers, firefighters and emergency medical workers.

That's happening because "Ms. Hochul, ... is facing re-election this year, [and] needs Mr. Mamdani’s help in turning out Democratic voters in New York City." After she's securely in office for another 4 year term, who knows how willing she'll be to do those same deals.

If Mandami remains popular, maybe he can keep the governor on his side. It would be ideal if they solved some of these problems as a team instead of working against each-other. I'm hopeful. Right now people seem to be in a very anti-status-quo mood. Mandami is showing how Democratic Socialism is a different way of doing things from the status quo. If he appears to be succeeding, more people will want to work with him. If more people can work with him, he can maybe take on some of the really big challenges that require a lot of people working together. At that point, it's not just a budget that appears to be balanced if you shift the pension burdens into the future. It may actually be a budget that will really work in the long term.

[–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 3 points 17 hours ago

Hochul and dnc immediately started smearing him on msms, and then only stopped because the amount of attention he was getting from potential voters, to vote against the DINOs, she isnt his friend.

[–] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.cafe 0 points 10 hours ago (2 children)

That's happening because "Ms. Hochul, ... is facing re-election this year, [and] needs Mr. Mamdani’s help in turning out Democratic voters in New York City." After she's securely in office for another 4 year term, who knows how willing she'll be to do those same deals.

If he delivers NYC, then he owns her, and she'll have to come through with the favors.

[–] merc@sh.itjust.works 1 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

Or what? There's no election for years.

[–] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.cafe 0 points 3 hours ago

What? There's an election every year, especially in cities and states. There will be an election 2027, too.

[–] ohulancutash@feddit.uk 2 points 9 hours ago

Only if she thinks he’ll still be in power next time she faces election.

[–] lb_o@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago

Healing has to start somewhere, though. Getting good news will attract more investments and will make the city more rich eventually.

And I hope that other sacrificed subsystems will follow the uptrend as well.

[–] brownsugga@lemmy.world 41 points 1 day ago (3 children)
[–] PolarKraken@lemmy.dbzer0.com 18 points 1 day ago (3 children)

gasp

Where's your tolerance?! I thought progressives were nice!

[–] bss03@infosec.pub 9 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Tolerance doesn't mean someone can't be mean to you. It means they give you the same rights they expect you to give them.

This includes the right to say "get fucked" to others and to disassociate from people that are likely to say "get fucked" to you.

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[–] brownsugga@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago

no, i'm an angry progressive. think we should bring back the bull moose party and find a socialist that can gish gallop the way Trump does

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[–] Suavevillain@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago

This type of governing has been possible the whole time which is the worst part. Keep up the good work Mamdani and his team.

[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 188 points 2 days ago (1 children)

The wonders of taxing the rich.

[–] Alaknar@sopuli.xyz 22 points 1 day ago (6 children)

TBF, from the analysis someone else posted, taxing the rich only brought in, like, 550 mil. Which isn't nothing, but it's not like "tax the rich" saved the city - they did a lot of other stuff.

[–] WhoIsTheDrizzle@lemmy.world 1 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

That is just one small potential tax on the rich. This was only taxing second homes over 5 million (very specific). He's also proposed a 51% increase in city individual income tax for earners over 1m, which would net 4b annually. Could increase corporate income tax, which he also proposed. That would bring in another 1.75b. Sounds like millionaires got off easy.

[–] Alaknar@sopuli.xyz 2 points 9 hours ago

I know what he said and what he's planning.

Doesn't change the fact that so far the tax on the rich has had a minimal impact on the city's budget, contrary to what the OC suggested.

[–] gusgalarnyk@lemmy.world 17 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Although true, I think that undersells the effect of even this minor tax on the rich. Every dollar out of a rich person pocket is a dollar out of asset investments portfolios and another dollar in the local economy. Until housing isn't a viable investment vehicle, as an example, that's another dollar not going to increasing the cost of housing. Housing getting cheaper means cost of living goes down not just for the worker but for the stores that sell you your food and your stuff, which has a knock on effect of making cost of living even cheaper.

Taxing the rich, even a small additional percentage, isn't just about raising more money it's about redistributing it from the people who use it in the worst ways possible (corrupting systems, amassing power, buying the world) to the people who use it in the best way possible (paying for food, housing, education, healthcare, hobbies, art, and their communities).

We should tax multi-millionaires out of existence, but any additional tax against the systemic problem of wealth inequality is a win in my book.

[–] Alaknar@sopuli.xyz 6 points 1 day ago

Every dollar out of a rich person pocket is a dollar out of asset investments portfolios and another dollar in the local economy

I agree, but...

I think that undersells the effect of even this minor tax on the rich

I think that saying "they zeroed their 12 bil deficit thanks to the wonders of taxing the rich" is overselling what they actually did to the extreme. They got 1/24th of the needed money from pied-à-terre tax. The true "wonder" was the 7 or 8 billion they got from the state.

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[–] DupaCycki@lemmy.world 79 points 1 day ago (19 children)

Who would have thought taxing the rich improves everyone's lives?

Nah, they just got lucky. We absolutely cannot keep trying this, because it's doomed to fail. Capitalism is the only system that works.

[–] ohulancutash@feddit.uk 1 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago)

This isn’t from taxing the rich, this is from deferring payments to city pension funds, delaying class size reductions and other schemes, and taking a huge wad of cash from state aid. And $1.2bn gained because NYC had fewer employees than expected this year. So it’s a one-time deal rather than a sustainable policy.

[–] RagingRobot@lemmy.world 17 points 1 day ago (1 children)

If we tax the rich they will all move away to other countries then we will be left here with just the people who do all the work. We will never survive

[–] Omgpwnies@lemmy.world 24 points 1 day ago (1 children)

No need to seize the means of production if they simply abandon it...

[–] Snowwdropp@lemmy.zip 14 points 1 day ago

I say let's try it elsewhere, just to prove those despicable commies it was absolutely a fluke.

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