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cross-posted from: https://piefed.social/c/subnautica2/p/2040327/subnautica-2-is-steam-deck-verified
Subnautica 2 Is Steam Deck Verified
Link to verification:
https://store.steampowered.com/verified/1962700/Subnautica_2The community manager has also mentioned that Subnautica 2 is Handheld Optimized on the ROG Xbox Ally.
I'll believe it when I see it. Unless they've managed to pull off something other UE5 developers have failed to do.
Unreal doesn't run well on anything, how tf is it going to run on a steam deck. 30 FPS should not be considered playable.
Eh. If its a locked 30 with no Dips its definitely playable. Will they achieve that with unreal? Doubt it
Why is 30 fps not playable in your opinion?
Back in the day I only had games that struggled to reach 24 fps.
I feel like deck verified should target 45 though. It's not too heavy on battery drain but still significantly better than 30 despite not seeming so numerically.
A rock solid 24fps is totally playable for all but the twitchiest shooters for me. Its the cinema framerate aferall. Its when it stutters or dips that its dramatically worse than a 60fps dipping down to 45.
The only problem with 24 fps cinema framerate is, it got 24 fps input latency too. It does not mean it can't work, like old games. But those were "designed" around that (remember Starfox on SNES?). Todays games are not. Likewise if a game is designed for 30 fps, such as Tears of the Kingdom for Switch, then its totally fine after you get used to it.
If they aren’t using half the shite of UE5 then you can get good performance.
Tempest Rising (granted it’s a RTS) doesn’t use lumen or nanite etc and performs really well.
You all plan to support this lousy company? 🏴☠️
I thought the court of public opinion sided with Unknown Worlds after the founders were reinstated and it was discovered that Krafton was using ChatGPT making stuff up to avoid the payout. Which the founders said they’d be giving a portion of their share with the developers so their shares of the payout would be larger?
What exactly is "worthless" to you? What are you trying to learn? Maybe this is the page you are looking for: https://www.steamdeck.com/en/verified
Yeah, that comment is /c/lostlemmings material.
Seeing that a title is "Steam Deck verified" is meaningless. There are countless instances in which a title that is a broken mess on Steam Deck is given the verified tag for some reason, yet some other title that operates just fine on Steam Deck is tagged as unsupported. A much more accurate metric is ProtonDB. The official "Steam Deck compatibility" rating system is worthless.
It is not worthless. Steam Deck verified does not mean the game runs perfectly fine. The bugs and performance of the game is not what the verification is meant for. Does the game run on Steam Deck the same as if it was running on Windows? If yes, then its verified. If the game runs buggy and has performance issues on Windows too, then its not the fault of the Proton translation layers.
I think lot of people misunderstand what the verification means. If you click the icon you showed us in your meme, then you would see the bulletpoints with explanation what makes it to be a verified game.
It is not worthless. Steam Deck verified does not mean the game runs perfectly fine. The bugs and performance of the game is not what the verification is meant for. Does the game run on Steam Deck the same as if it was running on Windows? If yes, then its verified. If the game runs buggy and has performance issues on Windows too, then its not the fault of the Proton translation layers.
I think lot of people misunderstand what the verification means. If you click the icon you showed us in your meme, then you would see the bulletpoints with explanation what makes it to be a verified game.
Absolutely nothing about comparing to a Windows build.
Valve's testing indicates that [title] is Verified on Steam Deck. This game is fully functional on Steam Deck, and works great with the built-in controls and display.
- All functionality is accessible when using the default controller configuration
- This game shows Steam Deck controller icons
- In-game interface text is legible on Steam Deck
- The game's default graphics configuration performs well on Steam Deck
With your logic, a game would need to ship a Windows build in order to achieve "Steam Deck verified", and any title that only ships a Linux build is automatically disqualified. But that is not how the certification system works. It is certifying that the title runs well on Steam Deck according to these few arbitrary criteria. That is it.
If the game is an absolute broken unplayable mess on Steam Deck, but at least the controller icons match, the text is legible, etc., Valve will certify it. You will not want to play it because it it is a buggy mess, but at least it got a green check!
On the other hand, ProtonDB is more granular about allowing actual users to lay out what problems a game may have. It is just a more transparent system that is actually usable as a metric to determine how well a title is likely to run on Steam Deck.
Absolutely nothing about comparing to a Windows build.
Proton is running Windows build. Its about running the game as if it was running it with Windows. If the game would run 25 fps on Steam Deck with Windows, that's about what you would expect to run with Steam Deck verified as well.
With your logic, a game would need to ship a Windows build in order to achieve “Steam Deck verified”, and any title that only ships a Linux build is automatically disqualified.
??? I am talking about the bugs and performance issue of a game, specifically comparing its Windows to Proton, not native Linux builds. I am not talking about the ENTIRE Steam Deck verified badge, but about the issue you raised and said it would be worthless because of it.
I am not talking about the ENTIRE Steam Deck verified badge, but about the issue you raised and said it would be worthless because of it.
What is the "ENTIRE" Steam Deck verified badge? That is indeed what I am referring to and calling worthless: the badge that you see on the Steam page for a given title. The badge that in no way compares how well the title runs relative to the same title on Windows.
I am not saying that a game is worthless if it has the verified badge. I am saying that the badge itself is worthless because it has often been placed on broken garbage before. It is not a good indicator as to how well the game operates on Steam Deck, which is the one thing that it is supposed to do. Sure, there are plenty of games with the badge that everyone agrees works great on Steam Deck! But there are also plenty of verified games that do not work well.
The entire badge is, all points that make up a verified badge. I was just talking about the point you brought up with
There are countless instances in which a title that is a broken mess on Steam Deck is given the verified tag for some reason
which was your initial argument. And that is what I was referring to with my reply, not all the other stuff that was talked after the reply (which I do not disagree at all).
specifically comparing its Windows to Proton
Stop comparing to Windows. That is not the purpose of the badge. It is not a "How accurately does Proton translate this game?" badge, it is a "How well does this game run on Steam Deck?" badge. Plain and simple. Read the bullet points. Nothing is calling out Windows or Proton.
If a game only ships a Windows build, then great, Valve will run that through Proton and run testing to determine whether or not it deserves the badge. But they are not going to compare that performance to the native Windows performance. For the sake of the badge, that comparison doesn't matter. All they care about is how it is running on default settings on a Steam Deck.
If a game ships a Linux build, then that will be the default experience for Steam Deck users, and that will be what Valve evaluates to determine whether or not it deserves the badge.
“How accurately does Proton translate this game?”
As said, I am not talking about every point, just about the performance and the buggy games. If the game is buggy on Windows and runs at 28 fps on a comparable system using Windows, then it can still get a verified badge on Steam Deck. I am not saying they compare it to the Windows build, but rather that performance and buggy game behavior is not the deciding factor if a game gets verified badge. If a game is badly optimized, runs like shit and has bugs, it can still get verified badge. As this is how the game is intended to be played across the board.
Also I am ONLY talking about these points, as your initial reply was only about that. Not how accurately Proton translates this game as a whole. I think I made that clear now.
If a game is badly optimized, runs like shit and has bugs, it can still get verified badge.
And that is precisely why the badge is worthless. As a consumer, if I see that badge, I should be able to assume that the game is going to run well using default settings. But in reality, seeing that badge tells me nothing about how well the game runs.
Conversely, if I check the ProtonDB page for that same buggy verified game, users on ProtonDB will actually call out that it is a buggy mess and that it does not run well. And I will know that I should not buy it, or that I will have to put in extra effort to get it to work well.
Out of curiousity, can anyone else see this image? I tried through PieFed and Lemmy, as well as an attempt through the Voyager app, but it doesn't seem to be showing up.
Edit: And I tried through Mastodon as well. MBin actually shows a link with the accessibility text. Looking again with PieFed showed the accessibility text for a bit, but then it disappeared with a refresh.
The accessibility text:
Person holding a "Steam Deck Compatibility: Verified" tag and saying "Woah. This is worthless!"
I'm on Firefox browser and the image is displayed. File is in .webp format. Maybe your clients does not support that?
It's showing up now. Might have been a federation issue for a bit.
