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You should know this because voter ID is one of the most debated topics in American politics, especially in recent years (SAVE America Act). On one hand, there's election integrity, and on the other, voter access.

cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/46320788

Of these states, six have Democratic trifectas, 23 have Republican trifectas, and seven have divided governments. There are currently 14 states that do not require identification at the polls outside of what is required by federal law. Of these 14 states, 10 have Democratic trifectas, and four have a divided government.

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[–] roofuskit@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

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[–] Karmanopoly@lemmy.world 1 points 13 hours ago

Most of you idiots will just vote for Trump a 3rd time anyway

[–] LodeMike@lemmy.today 2 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago)

Ffs you get mailed a voter I.D. card when you register. This is legally required as a federal precedent. Anything else is a poll tax and is illegal.

You can use your drivers license, but an ID must be provided if required.

[–] Mpatch@lemmy.world 11 points 2 days ago (6 children)

I just don't get it. Why wouldn't you have to show I.D at a polling station?

[–] roofuskit@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

IDs vary greatly in the US. They are not federal, they are not free, and the difficulty of obtaining the documents to get your ID often disproportionately affects poor people. In the US we banned poll taxes for many of the reasons people oppose these voter ID laws.

[–] The2b@lemmy.vg 17 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Because not everyone is capable of getting an ID. For one, they're not free, so requiring one is effectively a voting tax, preventing the poorest of our community members from having a say in our government.

Two, even if they were free monetarily, they're not free to get in terms of time. If you're working 16 hours a day at 2 jobs for example, when are you supposed to take time to go to the DMV to get an ID or license? This is particularly hard for, again, poorer people who have to work multiple jobs to stay afloat.

Three, there really is no problem that requiring an ID at a polling station solves. Of the BILLIONS of votes in the Heritage Foundation's (a VERY conservative thinktank, the one Trump tapped for most of his judicial nominations) database recording voter fraud events, they have a little more than 1000 instances of SUSPECTED voter fraud. That's about 0.0001% of votes cast are suspected to be fraudulent by the people trying to push the policy to correct the problem.

Meanwhile, these laws prevent more people from voting legally each election than have ever been suspected of voting fraudulantly since we have been keeping records. They are doing research to find the specific forms of IDs the people who vote against them tend to have or not have, and explicitly targetting them to ensure as few votes against them are allowed to be cast. It is an inheirently undemocratic solution to a problem which the proponents of the policy openly state does not exist.

[–] Rivalarrival@lemmy.today 10 points 1 day ago

Losing or having your wallet stolen should not disenfranchise a voter.

[–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 1 points 1 day ago

also mentioning that they likely require things proof of citizenship, which is much more difficult than getting a dmv license.

[–] snooggums@piefed.world 8 points 1 day ago (3 children)

I voted for a couple decades by just saying my name and having it crossed off the list, and back then the rate of voter fraud was basically zero just like it is after adding a barrier that keeps some people from voting.

Voter ID laws only exist to make it harder for poor people and minorities to vote.

[–] starlinguk@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago

It's still basically zero.

[–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 3 points 1 day ago

there was fraud, but its mostly on the REPUBLICAN side, and funny how it never gets reported. just like the election autopsy isnt getting reported because they dont want it released, granted the dnc doesnt want it to get released.

[–] SchwertImStein@lemmy.dbzer0.com -2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

voter fraud was zero

you have no way to know given what you describe

poor and minoritiesdo they not have IDs in freedomland?

[–] southsamurai@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 day ago

The zero thing was hyperbole, but there are numbers available. Voter fraud has never been significant enough to matter, despite being non zero.

And no, not everyone can obtain the mandated IDs. It's a real problem specifically because the mandated IDs are harder to get for the poor amd disenfranchised.

[–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 3 points 1 day ago

its a method of voter suppression , and only every gop used it thats why. its a burdensome fee, and not many people, mainly AA people can get one right away. likely you will have to show 2 or more proofs of CITIZENSHIP, which can be difficult for most people and LICENSES dont count. valid passports, certificate of naturalization, birth certificate is actually quite difficult to get. for passports only some places have the option to apply one, USPS and then you have to book appointments too, which can be booked weeks to months in advance.

[–] LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Shouldn't the logic be the other way? Why would you need to?

I've never had to do this and there's never been an issue so it seems like a solution in search of a problem to me.

[–] starlinguk@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

In plenty of countries, you have to bring ID when you vote. Many also require you to have ID (and in the Netherlands you have to have it with you at all times).

[–] Dinglefluff@piefed.social 6 points 1 day ago (2 children)

You guys might not need to worry about this anymore... A fair election in the US at this point seems optimistic

[–] roofuskit@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I would like to point out that statements like this can be used to stir up voter apathy which overwhelmingly benefits one party in the US.

[–] Dinglefluff@piefed.social 1 points 1 day ago

I would counter that ignoring statements like this leads to a different kind of apathy where people sit back and wait for a chance to vote out the dictator, letting him run rampant, and then act shocked when said vote does not get the dictator out.

[–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 1 points 1 day ago

voting rights just got gutted, and lousiania already moving to invalidate elected positions, by eliminating it before the elect is seated.

[–] CorneliusTalmadge@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago (2 children)

The thing that I never hear brought up about voter id, is that voter id + electronic voting means your vote is no longer anonymous.

And in my opinion this is the real reason why they are pushing for it. How do improve your propaganda machine if you don’t know individual results. Let alone all the more sinister reasons this information would valuable to an authoritarian regime.

[–] roofuskit@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

As someone opposed to voter ID laws, how does voter ID remove anonymity when ballots are anonymous?

[–] CorneliusTalmadge@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago (2 children)

So I can’t say this is true for each “brand” of machine, however just from observing how it works where I vote.

They scan your ID with the computer. This activates a key card. That key card is then inserted into the voting machine allowing a ballot to be cast.

Even if you assume those records are not directly tied together. It would then be trivial for anyone with access to both data sets to just use time stamps to match the id scan to the time the ballot was submitted.

[–] LodeMike@lemmy.today 1 points 18 hours ago

This is true with paper ballots.

[–] roofuskit@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

That is fucked. We don't have voting machines here, just scan-tron style ballots which are anonymous and sealed that way.

[–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 0 points 1 day ago

voting machines have always been compromised, its not wonder gop states use them, they know the companies+russia will likely rig the machines.

[–] nocturne@slrpnk.net 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

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[–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 3 points 1 day ago

wanna bet most of them have a significant african american population the ones that require ID. i read they also use prisoners as part of thier census too, so there is incentive for red state to incarcerate people left and right.

[–] Sanctus@anarchist.nexus 0 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Everyone on .world is lovin' this lmao fuck the poor, the destitute, and anyone else The New Colossus claimed to desire. This will be used to continue to disenfranchise voters as it already has. If we continue down this path as we have violence is inevitable as it is already being perpetrated. Enjoy, fascists agreeing with this.

[–] starlinguk@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

What's that in English, please.

[–] tidderuuf@lemmy.world 0 points 2 days ago (3 children)

YSK it's not fun when someone else votes for you because of a stolen identity. YSK your identity has likely been stolen on average 3 times this year and companies have absolutely no reason to protect your identity.

[–] snooggums@piefed.world 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

YSK it’s not fun when someone else votes for you because of a stolen identity.

I'm sure the thing that doesn't happen would be pretty awful if it did.

Now imagine not being able to vote because your wallet was stolen or because you don't drive a car and don't need an ID except for one day every two years to vote. Or being home bound or extremely poor and not having easy access to renew your ID. Or any of the other things that make it difficult to present an ID that you have to pay for but you don't need for anything other than voting.

[–] acockworkorange@mander.xyz 3 points 1 day ago

Do tell more.

[–] spongebue@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

And when are they using this vague identity theft materialized into voter fraud?